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Re: Atkinson Hyperlegible Font

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Post by soco »

JasonFruit wrote: post #135
GekkePrutser wrote: post #87

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I really hate those restaurants that only have QR codes on the table for menus. A restaurant is for eating and talking, not for messing around with my phone. I avoid those now. During Covid there was a slight point (though it was pretty soon proven that surface transmission was so minor a factor not to warrant such actions). But now we should just go back to normal menus.

Sometimes now this is because of supply problems that make a single, consistent menu embarrassing to the business: nobody wants to have to say, "I'm sorry; we're out of salmon and eggplant, and we haven't had coconut milk for a week. Can I offer the three of you something else?" An electronic menu can be changed immediately and at practically no cost.

I see your point but I've been told so many times "sorry sir we're out of salmon and eggplant" and nobody seemed to care except me regretting the salmon and eggplant. So, not sure it's a real world argument.

Re: Atkinson Hyperlegible Font

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Post by boltzmann-brain »

jdknezek wrote: post #194
GuB-42 wrote: post #136

With a few tweaks (monospaced variant), it could make a great coding font. Coding fonts have essentially the same goal: make similar looking characters different: 1liI|, 0O, etc... Code naturally strains our visual acuity: we want to see as much as possible, it means that we may use a smaller font size than we would find comfortable reading text with. Single letter, punctuation, etc... can be really important, in reg…

I made my best attempt at this. I made custom Iosevka[1] builds that use the letter shapes from this font. I call it Hypersevka, and the build plans are available at [2]. [1] https://typeof.net/Iosevka/ [2] https://github.com/jdknezek/Iosevka/blob/jdk/private-build-p...

Any chance you'd make a derivative font - monospaced or not - that uses different letter heights (i forget the technical term) for dyslexic users?

Re: Atkinson Hyperlegible Font

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Post by boltzmann-brain »

Sunspark wrote: post #64

Reminder that fonts are subjective. This one is good for specific people, not everyone. I can't use it because I find it overly rounded with tics. An example of a font that is also meant to be legible, but is on the squarish side, is Tiresias Screenfont. Increased legibility does NOT mean "flow". Just because each character is more "distinct" does not mean that the whole word is able to be processed with ease. Import…

There's something that feels... off about this font. The horizontal rhythm is out of whack here. I don't know what it is, I'm not a font designer, and the last time I looked into details of that was 20 years ago. Bad hinting? I don't know.

Re: Atkinson Hyperlegible Font

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Post by einpoklum »

npteljes wrote: post #158
einpoklum wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> By downloading, installing and/or using the font software, you confirm that you have read and agree to be bound by the terms of this End-User License Agreement ... says them. I don't agree and I don't confirm. I can download the font without accepting/consenting to whatever text they put on the web page. And if they're not ok with that - they can limit the availability of the download to only those who accept whate…

>And if they're not ok with that Then they can sue. EULAs often state things that don't matter in the jurisdiction of the end user, yes. But copyright is not related to that. If they hold the copyright to the font, then they can set the rules in the license, and if those don't clash with the local laws of your place, then you're liable legally. And yes, they probably won't do that. But that's, again, a different matt…

Even if the downloader was in the US, the results of a lawsuit are at best a toss-up considering case law. Internationally, I'm not even sure such a suit has ever been filed. Has it? A link would be interesting...

Re: Atkinson Hyperlegible Font

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OneLeggedCat wrote: post #12

I like this idea, but when I go to the web page... > Download the Font… and change the world! By downloading, installing and/or using the font software, you confirm that you have read and agree to be bound by the terms of this End-User License Agreement... Sigh. I guess I need to read that EULA. Anyway, clicking on that then downloads a pdf rather than a nice link to some web page text. Sigh. So then anyway, trying t…

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Re: Atkinson Hyperlegible Font

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Post by noir_lord »

boltzmann-brain wrote: post #223
Sunspark wrote: post #64

Reminder that fonts are subjective. This one is good for specific people, not everyone. I can't use it because I find it overly rounded with tics. An example of a font that is also meant to be legible, but is on the squarish side, is Tiresias Screenfont. Increased legibility does NOT mean "flow". Just because each character is more "distinct" does not mean that the whole word is able to be processed with ease. Import…

There's something that feels... off about this font. The horizontal rhythm is out of whack here. I don't know what it is, I'm not a font designer, and the last time I looked into details of that was 20 years ago. Bad hinting? I don't know.

I think the technical term is `kerning` (though also not a typography person).

Re: Atkinson Hyperlegible Font

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Post by mabbo »

CodeWriter23 wrote: post #128
mabbo wrote: post #56

I feel as though there should be a standard set of tests that any or all fonts run through to demonstrate the various properties they want to claim. Don't tell me "better", tell me "Scored an 8.6 on legibility in the standard font assessment test".

It's from The Braille Institute. They ARE the standard when it comes to dealing with vision challenges / vision loss.

Yep, and I truly believe that they've made something great.

But the onus is on them to provide evidence that they did so.

Otherwise, I can stand up and say: "this font makes reading slower and causes more mistakes" and it's a pissing contest between me and them rather than a matter than can be settled.

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