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Ubuntu’s move to Unity is the best thing that ever happened to Linux

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Re: Ubuntu’s move to Unity is the best thing that ever happened to Linux

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I consider myself power user. I am developer, I have experience with Windows, Mac OS X, BSD OSes and Linuxes. I have actually tried various desktop environments and WMs (including several tiling managers, I have used awesome WM for half a year). Overall I really love experimenting with software to the very deep level. I have tried Unity and I really like it. It is simple and it does what I need. It respects my screen…

"I really don't understand what other power users are missing." With Unity, if I am on a workspace with no terminal, and I click on the terminal to open it, I am warped back to a workspace that already has a terminal open, and I have to open a new window from there, and move it back (with several more clicks) to the workspace I really want to be on. Much different than just clicking on the terminal icon, which worked…

Middle-click the terminal button in the dock.

Re: Ubuntu’s move to Unity is the best thing that ever happened to Linux

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post #10

I consider myself power user. I am developer, I have experience with Windows, Mac OS X, BSD OSes and Linuxes. I have actually tried various desktop environments and WMs (including several tiling managers, I have used awesome WM for half a year). Overall I really love experimenting with software to the very deep level. I have tried Unity and I really like it. It is simple and it does what I need. It respects my screen…

"I really don't understand what other power users are missing." With Unity, if I am on a workspace with no terminal, and I click on the terminal to open it, I am warped back to a workspace that already has a terminal open, and I have to open a new window from there, and move it back (with several more clicks) to the workspace I really want to be on. Much different than just clicking on the terminal icon, which worked…

Middle-click on the terminal icon, or right-click and select "New terminal" to create a new one.

Re: Ubuntu’s move to Unity is the best thing that ever happened to Linux

#73
post #71

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"I really don't understand what other power users are missing." With Unity, if I am on a workspace with no terminal, and I click on the terminal to open it, I am warped back to a workspace that already has a terminal open, and I have to open a new window from there, and move it back (with several more clicks) to the workspace I really want to be on. Much different than just clicking on the terminal icon, which worked…

Middle-click the terminal button in the dock.

or press ctrl-alt-t.

Re: Ubuntu’s move to Unity is the best thing that ever happened to Linux

#74
I think this am excellent point. Every time I've seen this brought up it turns into an argument over which features of Unity suck worst.

So normal people have Ubuntu and Unity and the rest of us have a million other options. Hell, I even used Ununtu for development for a while. It was nice for a month but then the novelty wore off and Unity got in my way. But I hope more people realize that Ubuntu is not for you, it's for everyone (if everyone means you aren't a big power user). What's wrong with that?

Re: Ubuntu’s move to Unity is the best thing that ever happened to Linux

#75

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"""I care about what I am using, and he cares about what he is using.""" So, by you own logic, nobody cares to read what you and he are using, except you and him respectively. Which was kind of, my point . """We don't care what they are using. """ Good for you. This thread is about adoption, though, and about caring about what they are using --and specifically whether Unity is good for mass Linux adoption.

"So, by you own logic" That is your logic, not my own. I care what he is writing because his perspective is similar to my own. I don't care what operating system he is using.

"""I care what he is writing because his perspective is similar to my own. I don't care what operating system he is using."""

So, you:

(a) "care what he is writing because his perspective is similar to [your] own", but: (b) "[you] don't care what operating system he is using.".

I fail to see how (a) can be conciliated with (b), given that he is writing about "what operating system he is using", that is the very thing that you "don't care about".

It's not the only part where you defy logic and embrace contradiction...

Responding to another comment you invoke the car analogy to invalidate my argument, but when someone confronts you you tell him that: "It is only the people with exotic cars and computer setups (Linux on the desktop for example) that have a concern."

Are you not aware that we are talking SPECIFICALLY about the second case here, "Linux on the desktop"? Is there any special logic employed here?

Re: Ubuntu’s move to Unity is the best thing that ever happened to Linux

#76
The only constructive thing I take from this discussion is that on Linux everyone has a completely different way of working.

Accommodating this requires either multiple WMs or ones which are very flexible. The problem with Unity is that it dilutes the work available for other window managers reducing the number of quality choices but it does not replace this with enough flexibility in itself.

Re: Ubuntu’s move to Unity is the best thing that ever happened to Linux

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The car analogy doesn't work so well here because cars are far more interchangeable, although if you use a less popular type of car perhaps it is more difficult get parts for it for example. The advantage of using a common OS is that other people have probably had the problems before you have , often on Linux I feel like I may the first person to experience a particular problem. More users = more software generally,…

In the vast majority of cases, computers (software and hardware) are quite generic. It is only the people with exotic cars and computer setups (Linux on the desktop for example) that have a concern.

hardware in many cases yes, software less so. There are very few cases where one piece of software is a good substitute for another and where they are they are usually trivial pieces of software.

Re: Ubuntu’s move to Unity is the best thing that ever happened to Linux

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I'm not sure about intuitive (when I use OS X I still have to lookup on google how to do things) but it is more discoverable in my limited experience. There are just less buttons and menus than there are in Windows, Linux desktop sort of has this advantage too although often many of the things that would have been done with the extra buttons are done with the Terminal. Also OS X is generally allot more consistent in…

I think most of the time when people say "intuitive" they mean "discoverable". I'm not even sure "intuitive" is a property software can possess.

I think what I meant was that it is more discoverable usually just because there are less buttons not necessarily because those buttons are located better.

Re: Ubuntu’s move to Unity is the best thing that ever happened to Linux

#79
post #63

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What do you use to work with it? I didn't try it for very long but I didn't find it especially conductive to keyboard use. Or are you referring to touchscreen usage? How many people are actually using multitouch with Ubuntu?

http://askubuntu.com/questions/28086/what-are-unitys-keyboar... You can launch or switch to any of the first 10 applications on the launcher, resize/maximize/minimize a window, tile multiple windows , switch workspaces, or bring up the dash with a single keybinding for each. The only one of those I remember being able to do in GNOME 2 was switch workspaces.

> resize/maximize/minimize a window,

(http://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/docs/gnome/ch01s02.html)

    Alt-spacebar    Opens the Window Menu.

etc etc.

Re: Ubuntu’s move to Unity is the best thing that ever happened to Linux

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Thirded, Geeks are coding away at some application feature, managing servers, updating designs, watching some TV show, browsing the web, discussing project goals over skype with team members and other mundane things – all this on a slow day. I disagree. I have three windows open. Google Chrome (with, unfortunately for my productivity, Hacker News open), Emacs, and a Gnome Terminal (I X forward my Emacs session from m…

Alt-tab works, but alt-shift-tab does not - or at least did not work for me when I upgraded. Not wanting to waste time looking for a workaround, I just reverted to my backup and forgot about Unity.

With Unity you can press Win+1, Win+2 ... Win+N to directly jump to an specific open window. Much faster than alt+tab.
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