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Re: Atkinson Hyperlegible Font

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Post by dylan604 »

johndough wrote: post #94
ryanmarsh wrote: post #79

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I was showing this exact problem to my wife, a moment after trying to order something from The Container Store and their website being broken, just after trying to pay a bill and that website not working too. I swear to God this f**ing industry.

Reminds me of the parking at my local lake were you now have to read a 60 page EULA, a 30 page data "protection" agreement and install an app which requires way too many permissions. I happily paid the quite reasonable parking fee in the past when there still was a human person collecting the money. She was very friendly and always had an interesting story to tell, but now she's out of her job. Anyway, the surveillan…

>Anyway, the surveillance cameras have been vandalized and parking is free now.

This totally reads like you just did the vandalizing. Just saying ;-)

Re: Atkinson Hyperlegible Font

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Post by pmarreck »

Terretta wrote: post #42
pmarreck wrote: post #21

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I am a big fan of Berkeley Mono. It has (for me at least) this really hard to describe fusion of retro and modern that just feels perfect for coding and console to me. Note: Unfortunately not free, but I did manage to figure out how to make it a static definition as part of my NixOS declarative configuration, lol. https://berkeleygraphics.com/typefaces/berkeley-mono Note that I just noticed that you can easily add At…

Oh wow — I love Univers and Eurostile, makes Berkeley Mono a contender!

I ended up forcing my browser to use Atkinson Hyperlegible for sans-serif text and Berkeley Mono for monospaced text and I may never change this config lol (although I wish I could force sites to use just the fonts, but not the fontsize settings, in Firefox...)

Glorious!

Re: Atkinson Hyperlegible Font

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Post by dotancohen »

leephillips wrote: post #69
teo_zero wrote: post #35

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I think linking a PDF is less friendly to users who need Text-to-Speech technology, something the Braille Institute should be sensitive to...

That’s a good point. I have no idea if Text-to-Speech works with PDF.

It does, and in many cases even better than on most web pages.

Re: Atkinson Hyperlegible Font

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Post by dotancohen »

Cthulhu_ wrote: post #118
cyral wrote: post #106

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Do you have an adblocker on? It will frequently break sites especially in the checkout process I have found (probably because their crappy code calls some tracking/analytics script without try/catch and can't continue). 90% of the time disabling it for the page will fix these broken sites.

> I swear to God this f*ing industry. this again. Developers and any publisher should test their stuff with ad blockers enabled.

Why? They test in default configurations. As someone who changes many, many default settings, I don't expect developers to test in every possible combination of non-default settings, browser extensions, atypical devices, text zoom settings, etc.

Re: Atkinson Hyperlegible Font

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Post by epgui »

vanderZwan wrote: post #7
epgui wrote: post #3

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There are a number of very nice monospace typefaces that have lots of character variants so you can essentially pick and choose different letter styles (dotted, crossed or regular zeros, etc). I personally love Fira Code with its ligatures.

I love Fira Code. I suspect Iosevka is the winner when it comes to customization though: https://typeof.net/Iosevka/ You can basically mimic features of almost any other big name among monospace fonts. The only downside I can think of is that it updates really often and the website doesn't have a way to save your customizations, so upgrading is a drag. Given that it's a free font I'm not complaining though.

Yes, that's another great one!

Re: Atkinson Hyperlegible Font

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Post by tejtm »

OneLeggedCat wrote: post #12

I like this idea, but when I go to the web page... > Download the Font… and change the world! By downloading, installing and/or using the font software, you confirm that you have read and agree to be bound by the terms of this End-User License Agreement... Sigh. I guess I need to read that EULA. Anyway, clicking on that then downloads a pdf rather than a nice link to some web page text. Sigh. So then anyway, trying t…

ff on linux w/ various ad/script blockers can't ever get that far. a never loading page that proclaims itself to be "privileged" on my machine.

nope.

Re: Atkinson Hyperlegible Font

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Post by jackblemming »

Sunspark wrote: post #115
jackblemming wrote: post #101

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>Reminder that fonts are subjective. Yes but you can survey a fraction of a population and make strong statistical claims such as, “most people found so and so font more readable”.

Which population though? There are differences in age groups. People who grew up only with print won't lean toward a sans. People who grew up only with screens will lean toward sans, etc. If you go with that metric of doing a survey, then the answer is Times New Roman and Arial, not because they are superior (though they have excellent hinting) but due to long-term familiarity and exposure. I don't have a problem wit…

>Which population though?

The best population to sample would probably be the readers of your content.

>If you go with that metric of doing a survey, then the answer is Times New Roman and Arial, not because they are superior (though they have excellent hinting) but due to long-term familiarity and exposure.

I don't know the answer to this because I didn't do any studies. I'm probably reasonable to assume you didn't either, and thus should be careful about making such assertions.

>I don't have a problem with providing what people are comfortable with, but comfort does not necessarily translate to better.

I don't know what you define as "better", or what you're trying to get at.

>Companies commissioning their own fonts, is not due to a desire to get improved quality, but simply to not have to pay a licensing fee for usage.

Could be. This is a pessimistic take, and I'm sure it's right sometimes and wrong other times.

Re: Atkinson Hyperlegible Font

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Post by CodeWriter23 »

mabbo wrote: post #56

I feel as though there should be a standard set of tests that any or all fonts run through to demonstrate the various properties they want to claim. Don't tell me "better", tell me "Scored an 8.6 on legibility in the standard font assessment test".

It's from The Braille Institute. They ARE the standard when it comes to dealing with vision challenges / vision loss.

Re: Atkinson Hyperlegible Font

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Post by supernova87a »

Interesting that the slash on the zero character goes in the opposite slant direction than you normally see?

Also, in the middle of that webpage, they show how the shapes in "ER79jr" are slightly different from conventional (they didn't notate it but I assume the yellow background alternate shapes are what are usually seen), but could have used some better explanation why those alternate shapes are confusing.

Re: Atkinson Hyperlegible Font

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Post by hermitcrab »

cratermoon wrote: post #57
hermitcrab wrote: post #51

I was talking to my opticians recently and he said "Everyone gets cataracts, PVDs[1] and macular degeneration, if they live long enough". So we should all be glad that people are working in this area. [1]Posterior Vitreous Detachment.

Over the past 2-3 years I went from needing reading glasses for small print to needing reading glasses for nearly everything in "normal"-sized print. I even keep HN at +125% (thanks, Chrome) because the default is too small. I still need my reading glasses at this magnification, but I don't want to magnify it too much more because of limited screen real-estate. This is just from normal age-related presbyopia. I'm hop…

Tech is mostly designed by young white English-speaking males and they tend to design with young white English-speaking males in mind. On the plus, this means that there are quite a few unexploited opportunities.
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