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Is early-onset cancer an emerging global epidemic?

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Re: Is early-onset cancer an emerging global epidemic?

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Post by arthur2e5 »

Gatsky wrote: post #218
krisoft wrote: post #195

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> still smoking, drinking alcohol, living in polluted areas and eating red meat One of these is not like the others. I can decide to not smoke, not drink alcohol and not eat red meat. It is a personal choice, and my choice doesn’t affect the health outcomes of those around me. (Mostly. Second hand smoke is a thing, but we did a lot society wise to act against that.) On the other hand living in poluted areas is absolu…

In fact, all these things have socioeconomic determinants. Air pollution has a relatively small effect compared to the others.

Smoking and alcohol are unfortunately too convenient as coping mechanisms go. A stimulant-anxiolytic to keep you going through a shift, and a sedative to slow down and stay numb. And they (nicotine especially) feel just too effective—at the start before you build up dependence at least.

Lifestyle modification can only go so far when the stress of living remains high. Swap the burnt stuff with something that puts less tar in your lungs, maybe, but any further is… sigh.

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Post by daniel-cussen »

jodrellblank wrote: post #42
myth_drannon wrote: post #17

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We can scale it to planets. We pollute this planet and then move to another, then another. Come back to Earth in 10 million years. The only small problem with that is that we are not that advanced to do it.

The problem is that there aren't any other planets. Venus is an inferno, Mars may as well be made of asbestos dust with a side of radiation and drought, those are the most hospitable ones in this solar system and we're not getting anywhere further anytime soon[1]. And the amount of rockets and environmental damage to launch billions of people and enough spaceships for billions of people is ... a lot. [1] http://www.a…

No it's not that much, it's water in the atmosphere, hypergolic fuels were before. Steam. It's fine. Although yes when metal vaporizes up in reentry that is pollution.

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Post by hackerfromthefu »

Gatsky wrote: post #218
krisoft wrote: post #195

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> still smoking, drinking alcohol, living in polluted areas and eating red meat One of these is not like the others. I can decide to not smoke, not drink alcohol and not eat red meat. It is a personal choice, and my choice doesn’t affect the health outcomes of those around me. (Mostly. Second hand smoke is a thing, but we did a lot society wise to act against that.) On the other hand living in poluted areas is absolu…

In fact, all these things have socioeconomic determinants. Air pollution has a relatively small effect compared to the others.

Air pollution is in fact a big impact to shorter lifespans and many health issues.

There's also a post on HN yesterday about research into air pollution from pm2.5 particles triggering cancer.

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Post by elevaet »

synergy20 wrote: post #247

Could this be related to GMO food? or maybe just the industrialization of food in general? I also noticed for people born after 1995 there are 18% identify themselves as non-binary these days, I wonder this is also from the same cause, i.e. industrial food related, but I don't have concrete data to back this up. Longevity is improving slowly, hope one day we can fully catch cancel from onset, I'm aware of quite a few…

> I also noticed for people born after 1995 there are 18% identify themselves as non-binary these days, I wonder this is also from the same cause

I wonder about this too. We have a lot more PFAS chemicals in our environments (and bodies) these days and they are known to be endocrine disruptors. It seems plausible that these could be affecting sexual development/identity.

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Post by api »

synergy20 wrote: post #247

Could this be related to GMO food? or maybe just the industrialization of food in general? I also noticed for people born after 1995 there are 18% identify themselves as non-binary these days, I wonder this is also from the same cause, i.e. industrial food related, but I don't have concrete data to back this up. Longevity is improving slowly, hope one day we can fully catch cancel from onset, I'm aware of quite a few…

Sauce needed for that percentage. It strains credulity. That’s almost one in five.

Also have to point out that until very recently we had no reliable data. If you stop burning witches and then it seems like everyone is becoming a witch, that is probably not what is happening. What is happening is that people are admitting it.

The best we have from the past are anonymous surveys and those tended to be done by colleges or by people like Kinsey. That is not going to give you a random sample even if we assume everyone on those surveys was fully aware of how they felt and 100% honest.

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Post by depr »

johnfernow wrote: post #203
depr wrote: post #187

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CBT is not effective for lessening mental health symptoms. See e.g. https://doi.org/10.1192/bjp.bp.116.187773 >the difference between CBT and pill placebo was a standardised mean difference of –0.22 The effect measured in this meta-analysis is a less than two point drop on a 52 point scale (Hamilton Rating Scale for Depression). That is not clinically significant.

From the study you linked: > Our study has limitations. First, detection of an interaction effect requires a large sample size. The present findings require replication with a larger sample of trials designed to test the interaction. The trials from which the data were extracted were not designed to test this hypothesis, but do provide a ‘first look’ into this question using all available data. Given the wide confide…

>rather just cautioning saying it is no more effective than a pill placebo due to one study.

It is not one study, it is a meta-analysis.

The quotes from the meta-analysis you mention do not show mention anything concrete; there are words and phrases like "robust", "evidence-base is very strong", "higher response rate". They barely tell you anything. One needs to see the numbers, not the researchers interpretation of them.

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Post by banannaise »

_yb2s wrote: post #169
irrational wrote: post #97

I feel like there has been a great increase in mental health issues: anxiety, depression, etc., especially among youth. I don’t recall these being major issues from when I was a youth in the late 80s and early 90s. I’m told that I’m wrong and people just didn’t talk about it so I wasn’t aware of it. But even amongst close family members and friends it wasn’t a thing. Now, I’ve seen some claim it is the post 9/11 worl…

I don't remember hearing much about anxiety or depression, but do remember hearing about things like alcoholism, domestic violence, and 'laziness.' I'm pretty sure these are largely the same psychological issues- it's just people used to hide it, and deny it even to themselves- so you would only see the resulting dysfunction. Nowadays people are getting a diagnosis and treatment rather than just silently suffering an…

It's frustrating to see how many people don't understand this. To say mental health issues didn't exist until we started diagnosing and treating them is like saying oil didn't exist until we started drilling for it.

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Post by galdosdi »

soundnote wrote: post #220
galdosdi wrote: post #196

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> At a quick glance, a lot of the intersectional feminist/activist modes of thought seem to be the polar opposites of what eg. cognitive behavioral therapy What a non sequitur. Why would feminism and stoicism have any incompatibilities?

I literally gave one example in the post you quoted. The intersectional types are vehemently against owning your emotional responses in the way stoicism advocates, and instead actively encourage finding more and more ever more minute things that might be rationalized to be a slight against themselves. On a deeper level, stoicism acknowledges and is built on the idea that not everything in the world is changeable, whi…

Oh, I guess to be honest I thought your example was so stupid I didn't feel the need to respond. Now that you reply this way, I admit maybe I am just totally confused as to what you mean.

Why would there be any conflict between "I should try to not let shit get to me" and "Also, I should campaign for there to be less shit around to get to me"?

Those are just two different ways to deal with having shit, and one in no way impedes the other.

Am I misunderstanding your claim?

> The intersectional types are vehemently against owning your emotional responses in the way stoicism advocates

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Post by synergy20 »

api wrote: post #276
synergy20 wrote: post #247

Could this be related to GMO food? or maybe just the industrialization of food in general? I also noticed for people born after 1995 there are 18% identify themselves as non-binary these days, I wonder this is also from the same cause, i.e. industrial food related, but I don't have concrete data to back this up. Longevity is improving slowly, hope one day we can fully catch cancel from onset, I'm aware of quite a few…

Sauce needed for that percentage. It strains credulity. That’s almost one in five. Also have to point out that until very recently we had no reliable data. If you stop burning witches and then it seems like everyone is becoming a witch, that is probably not what is happening. What is happening is that people are admitting it. The best we have from the past are anonymous surveys and those tended to be done by colleges…

https://www.axios.com/2022/02/17/lgbtq-generation-z-gallup here is one source, if you google, there are plenty, many are quite authoritative.

I have kids in k-12, and both them and I observed this trend over the years. There might be a biological reason behind it, further boosted by the culture wind these days.

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