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Re: Bank tells customers to disable updates and not upgrade to iOS 16

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Post by scarface74 »

amelius wrote: post #290
scarface74 wrote: post #272

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So should Apple have kept compatibility with 32 bit apps? PPC apps? 68K apps? Apple does release security fixes and released one for the 2012 circa iPhone 5S last September. But once it dropped support for all 32 bit apps, it didn’t have to carry it forward to new Macs and was able to remove support from the processor itself.

Why not? Given Apple's growth, they can hire a person for every release of their OS and keep them working on backports of security issues without problems.

Every piece of code you have to maintain is technical debt and increases the surface area of bugs and vulnerabilities. There is no hardware support for 32 bit apps in the newest ARM chips. Should they also ship both a 68K, PPC, and 32 bit capable x86 VM with Macs?

Why stop at software compatibility, why shouldn’t modern MacBooks come with SCSI and ADB ports? Why shouldn’t Apple desktop computers still support Nubus?

Re: Bank tells customers to disable updates and not upgrade to iOS 16

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Post by amelius »

scarface74 wrote: post #291
amelius wrote: post #290

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why not? Given Apple's growth, they can hire a person for every release of their OS and keep them working on backports of security issues without problems.

Every piece of code you have to maintain is technical debt and increases the surface area of bugs and vulnerabilities. There is no hardware support for 32 bit apps in the newest ARM chips. Should they also ship both a 68K, PPC, and 32 bit capable x86 VM with Macs? Why stop at software compatibility, why shouldn’t modern MacBooks come with SCSI and ADB ports? Why shouldn’t Apple desktop computers still support Nubus?

We were talking about security updates.

Re: Bank tells customers to disable updates and not upgrade to iOS 16

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Post by scarface74 »

amelius wrote: post #292
scarface74 wrote: post #291

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Every piece of code you have to maintain is technical debt and increases the surface area of bugs and vulnerabilities. There is no hardware support for 32 bit apps in the newest ARM chips. Should they also ship both a 68K, PPC, and 32 bit capable x86 VM with Macs? Why stop at software compatibility, why shouldn’t modern MacBooks come with SCSI and ADB ports? Why shouldn’t Apple desktop computers still support Nubus?

We were talking about security updates.

So should they update MacTCP for System 7 for my old 68K Mac LC II?

They already provide updates for phones and iPads back to 2013 as recently as last month.

That was the first phone that supported LTE. Any phone older than that will soon be inoperable as the carriers shut down their 3G network.

Re: Bank tells customers to disable updates and not upgrade to iOS 16

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Post by Gigachad »

TheCoelacanth wrote: post #149
Gigachad wrote: post #112

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Apple releases an update once a year and they give several months of betas where app devs can test and prepare. That’s more than enough for supported apps.

Still pretty embarrassing when Microsoft maintains backwards compatibility for decades.

Because Microsoft focuses on legacy enterprise convenience while Apple focuses on end user convenience.

Re: Bank tells customers to disable updates and not upgrade to iOS 16

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Post by hiq »

ornornor wrote: post #185
hiq wrote: post #89

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> Try to bank in Switzerland, it is so 1980ties... What do you mean by that? In a way it's not retro enough (for me?), I currently have an account that can only be accessed via a mobile app (e.g. no website). See for instance https://www.neon-free.ch/en/ You can open an account fully online from your home, I don't think you even have to mail anything.

There is quite a gap between the incumbents and “neo banks” in CH. Neo banks are more modern and convenient but only compared to traditional banks within CH: spotty online bills support, no twint (or prepay twint), money transfers only occur once a day at 10am on banking days, customer service open from 9 to 5… Banks in CH are hilariously bad (and expensive), and it’s a shock because you always have this image that S…

I feel like if I need customer service for basic banking services (as these banks are supposed to provide), I'm already at the wrong place.

For the rest I guess it's things I don't personally care about, so while it could be better (I have a EUR account for which my recipients get transfers within hours), I don't really notice it in practice.

Re: Bank tells customers to disable updates and not upgrade to iOS 16

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Post by hiq »

dijonman2 wrote: post #142
hiq wrote: post #89

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> Try to bank in Switzerland, it is so 1980ties... What do you mean by that? In a way it's not retro enough (for me?), I currently have an account that can only be accessed via a mobile app (e.g. no website). See for instance https://www.neon-free.ch/en/ You can open an account fully online from your home, I don't think you even have to mail anything.

Are mobile only systems popular or trending? I am not a fan of mobile apps, kind of annoying. I’d use a dumb flip phone if I could.

I think it's becoming increasingly popular to only develop mobile apps: they are basically required at this point so no way to avoid the corresponding costs, while companies might save money on other entry points (physical, websites). Ideally you'll get some of these savings back via lower fees, but it definitely makes the loss or theft of a phone way more of a problem than it used to be.

Re: Bank tells customers to disable updates and not upgrade to iOS 16

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Post by Shorn »

crazygringo wrote: post #7

Separately from the utter ridiculousness of this... ...can anyone guess what about their app might break in iOS 16? I was under the impression that iOS updates didn't generally break compatibility, unless it's locking down some kind of permission. But I'm having a hard time imagining what a banking app would rely on that would change underneath it?

Upvoted for being the first comment with the content I come to HN for.

Re: Bank tells customers to disable updates and not upgrade to iOS 16

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Post by Xeoncross »

zdragnar wrote: post #207
Xeoncross wrote: post #88

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"There even are places where English completely disappears. In America, they haven't used it for years!” ― Alan Jay Lerner, My Fair Lady https://youtu.be/t8zhp699FXg?t=110

And yet there are places in America whose regional accents are closer to English was at the time those places were settled than Britain is now. Even more ironic is that My Fair Lady is an American film based on a play by an Irish Brit (George Bernard Shaw, Pygmalion ).

I think it's ironic that language which is used as the primary form of communication for one's whole life still requires training in University.

Perhaps there truly is no such thing as proper English.

Re: Bank tells customers to disable updates and not upgrade to iOS 16

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Post by makeitdouble »

adolph wrote: post #215
makeitdouble wrote: post #153

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I don’t think it’s crazy for any company to want more than 3 months to support a new OS. This specific situation is unfortunate, but I’d expect many other companies to have a mildly broken app for a few months. In particular, the punch hole gimmick was kept a secret and I’d expect apps who expected no touch target in that area to have to rethink a bunch of assumptions.

Out of ignorance I ask: Why aren’t there LTS versions of iOS? As a long time iOS user each year brings a bit of change with improvements just barely better than regression. Under the hood, what changes so much as to consider it a major upgrade with breaking changes? The MS pattern of deep support of legacy API for applications seems too extreme in the other direction. However iOS has long sense reached a point of mat…

Bilal_io's point on driving phone sales is spot on.

To add to that, phones have no OS downgrade process, so even if as an app provide you decide you won't support the latest OS, every new phone bought from now will still come with it, and the user can't do anything about that.

A LTS would require to also get read of the version up rachetting.

Re: Bank tells customers to disable updates and not upgrade to iOS 16

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Post by selimthegrim »

ollieglass wrote: post #277
jl6 wrote: post #60

What I find really amazing is that we have here an incredibly elite service that the vast majority of people will never be able to afford, and yet its elite clients are dependent on essentially the same mobile devices that everyone else is. You can spend ~$2k on a phone, and it will be the best phone you can buy. There's no $20k phone that will be any better. It's like flying in first class and then having to queue u…

Reminds me of this Andy Warhol quote: "What's great about this country is America started the tradition where the richest consumers buy essentially the same things as the poorest. You can be watching TV and see Coca-Cola, and you can know that the President drinks Coke, Liz Taylor drinks Coke, and just think, you can drink Coke, too. A Coke is a Coke and no amount of money can get you a better Coke than the one the b…

This logic fails to extend to Thunderbird or Buckfast.
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