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Cognitive ability is related to supporting freedom of speech (2020)

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Re: Cognitive ability is related to supporting freedom of speech (2020)

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Well, for awhile there was lots of talk about CRT. https://www.texastribune.org/2021/12/02/texas-critical-race-...

Similarly biology teachers aren't allowed to teach intelligent design unless it is a part of the curriculum, you can't just teach whatever theory you want without the school boards permission. I don't think that biology teachers should teach intelligent design, and I don't think that is a free speech violation.

So what would you do if you found out your child's biology teacher was speaking to them about intelligent design?

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While I agree-ish, I can list a litany of people deplatformed. All of them are on the right. It could just be only the left has power at the moment. A common question is why the Ayatollah is on Twitter (and I think Facebook) calling for death, but Alex Jones isn’t allowed to question events. We can argue both are reprehensible, but only one is banned. Beyond that I haven’t seen anyone on the right truly call for limi…

Book banning is the right's equivalent of deplatforming, with the bonus that they are getting the government to do it, not just a private company. They do take it further though, with banning of talking about how to get an abortion, banning of talking about LGBT topics in school. I can't say that allowing those topics, or even pushing them, is targeting the right. By definition it's about some other group being suppo…

I haven’t seen any book banning per-se. I’ve seen removal of offering them for free using public funds or using certain material to education children.. So, libraries or curriculums, which are not a first amendment issue.

> banning of talking about LGBT topics in school.

I saw Florida law stopped discussing it AND not telling parents, prior to 10 or 12 (forget final age). Again, limitations on educators are not the same thing.

We always limit access of information to children as they develop. We don’t show them death or sex at a young age because it’s been shown to have some negative effects.

That’s fundamentally different than banning people from using the public square to discuss topics.

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I grew up in the US being told that freedom of speech was a virtue, something that our country did very well and I always thought that it was a shared value. It's very surprising to me to see that change in such a short span, or possibly it was not as popular or widespread as I thought it was growing up and I just never noticed. Is it the internet that has caused this uptick in the number of people who think free spe…

You have to learn one thing about the internet, it's full of loud mouthed polarized trolls. Most people feel like you.

Re: Cognitive ability is related to supporting freedom of speech (2020)

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I have not heard any group calling for free speech to be blocked. Who is calling for people to be arrested for what they say? Or to be blocked from being able to say it out loud? I think what you mean is that people are calling for internet platforms to kick out certain groups. This is in no way a call against freedom of speech. I am not sure why people suddenly believe that being for 'free speech' means that other p…

This is the “if you don’t like it, go build your own multi-billion dollar monopoly internet service” argument. And then it’s just one more step to call for public-private partnerships in combatting “misinformation.”

It's literally trivial to have your own twitter/facebook/youtube analog. You can in turn spread information about its existence through exciting means like email.

You aren't entitled to an audience of hundreds of millions and indeed have never in the history of free speech been entitled to such.

Re: Cognitive ability is related to supporting freedom of speech (2020)

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I have not heard any group calling for free speech to be blocked. Who is calling for people to be arrested for what they say? Or to be blocked from being able to say it out loud? I think what you mean is that people are calling for internet platforms to kick out certain groups. This is in no way a call against freedom of speech. I am not sure why people suddenly believe that being for 'free speech' means that other p…

There is an ongoing campaign to get a legal forum completely removed from the internet. A twitch and twitter mob managed to pressure parts of internet infrastructure like Cloudflare and hCaptcha to drop them mere days after the campaign began. Even Archive.org reneged on their core mission and have removed all records. Archive.today is now under intense pressure to do the same because they still have a record of the…

do you mind sharing what the legal forum is? Also the internet is privately run (at least in the USA) and there is nothing keeping people from setting up a host and running their own forum there. If Gab can Truth social can stay up with all their calls-to-arms and domestic terrorism posts calling it "freedom of speech" I'm sure this forum can find a similar hosting service that allows anything.

Re: Cognitive ability is related to supporting freedom of speech (2020)

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I grew up in the US being told that freedom of speech was a virtue, something that our country did very well and I always thought that it was a shared value. It's very surprising to me to see that change in such a short span, or possibly it was not as popular or widespread as I thought it was growing up and I just never noticed. Is it the internet that has caused this uptick in the number of people who think free spe…

I can only speak for my own education (in the UK) where free speech wasn't really drilled into me as a valuable right, and as such I can understand why people don't understand its importance. Topics like this fall into what in the UK is categorised as PSHE (Personal, social, health, and economic). Unlike other subjects, it was not a GCSE meaning that there was no exam to be taken, and you would not receive a qualification at the end. As such, it was often given the minimum amount of time the school could possibly allocate on the timetable. There were no specialist teachers for the subject; teachers of other subjects would have to teach it. And come to think of it, I was seldom taught about some of our most valuable rights like our right to free speech, our right to a fair trial, and our right to vote.

When it comes to free speech, many hear speech they deem to be abhorrent, and thus their reaction is that it ought not to be legal to say. And this feeling is understandable but perhaps demonstrates that the individual has not been educated on why to value freedom of speech. They often do not understand how dangerous it can be to allow someone to decide which speech can, and can't be allowed.

Additionally, I have been reading the book Fake Law, and what I have found striking is that large parts of the public are completely uneducated about the law, and why access to justice is important, and I myself learnt new things from the book. But the book also demonstrates how the media, and in turn politicians exploit this lack of education to slowly take away our rights, and restrict our access to justice. And this makes me reflect on my own education, and I now wonder whether that was intentional.

Re: Cognitive ability is related to supporting freedom of speech (2020)

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Which laws have passed that restrict speech?

Florida's bill which prevents gay and lesbian teachers discussing their partners, for one. https://www.cbc.ca/news/world/florida-don-t-say-gay-bill-des...

There are many cases of not being allowed to say certain things as an employee or representative of an entity but I don't consider them infringements on "free speech" in general.

I'm sure after work these teachers can say whatever they like.

Re: Cognitive ability is related to supporting freedom of speech (2020)

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If you really want to scramble your noodle, look at the recent spate of state laws placing restrictions on speech and notice the lean of the parties that control those states.

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Re: Cognitive ability is related to supporting freedom of speech (2020)

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The methodological flaw here is amusingly it’s own fascinating study: using some verbal sophistication proxy as a cognitive ability proxy to correlate political attitudes is arguably the key feature of modern hyper-polarized, Internet-speed news cycle politics.

It’s difficult to watch a screen without hearing some version of “most people are stupid”. This is deeply wrong: most people are very smart, but this is difficult for the well-educated, because most people are inarticulate.

Surviving, let alone reproducing in meaningful numbers, has almost always been a ruthless selection process on intelligence, but hyper-literacy is a path to high status that has only recently become available to people in large numbers, and even then only in some places (in the US where I live, smarty-pants hyper-literacy is dramatically higher status on the urban coasts for example).

This is why so many of my fellow coastal lefties are always befuddled if not enraged that huge blocks of the rest of the country (and world) vote with their ballots or feet or both for very poorly-articulated policies and agendas: the (to borrow a dangerous phrase) “sullen, silent majority” understands why “progress” is bad for them, but doesn’t articulate it well. This leads to a combination of feeling obviously right, but getting trounced at the polls rather often.

Re: Cognitive ability is related to supporting freedom of speech (2020)

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While I agree-ish, I can list a litany of people deplatformed. All of them are on the right. It could just be only the left has power at the moment. A common question is why the Ayatollah is on Twitter (and I think Facebook) calling for death, but Alex Jones isn’t allowed to question events. We can argue both are reprehensible, but only one is banned. Beyond that I haven’t seen anyone on the right truly call for limi…

I can list a litany of people deplatformed. All of them are on the left. Selection bias does not a good argument make.

Who?

I’d like to read / listen to them.

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