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Cognitive ability is related to supporting freedom of speech (2020)

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Post by ModernMech »

glerk wrote: post #164
citizenkeen wrote: post #127

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That is perfectly in line with freedom of speech. Is the government showing up and arresting the speakers? No? Then freedom of speech is intact.

I’m so tired of this argument. Who cares if it’s the government, private business, or other citizens who do the censorship? The result is the same: censorship. Next you’re gonna tell me to go build my own university/social media platform/payment processor/ISP/etc. if I don’t like it.

I have some speech I’d like you as a private citizen to platform for me. If you are disinclined to do so, are you censoring me?

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Post by bigbasedwolf »

CharlesW wrote: post #167
bigbasedwolf wrote: post #85

Not surprising in the least. Anyone who has browsed 4chan instinctively senses that the pendulum swings from downright madness to sheer brilliance on a post-by-post basis, and this is something you can’t really find on other sites no matter how much you analyze the so called “signal to noise ratio.” You can’t have an open and intellectually gratifying discussion if you know there are things you cannot say. So the top…

> You can’t have an open and intellectually gratifying discussion if you know there are things you cannot say. False. There are always things you cannot say if you truly want to have an open and intellectually gratifying discussion. Freedom of speech, legally and conceptually, has never meant freedom from the consequences of that speech.

Responses like these are why we are where we are.

Enjoy the ride.

Re: Cognitive ability is related to supporting freedom of speech (2020)

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Post by uoaei »

rmatt2000 wrote: post #109
cortesoft wrote: post #105

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I have not heard any group calling for free speech to be blocked. Who is calling for people to be arrested for what they say? Or to be blocked from being able to say it out loud? I think what you mean is that people are calling for internet platforms to kick out certain groups. This is in no way a call against freedom of speech. I am not sure why people suddenly believe that being for 'free speech' means that other p…

You should spend some time on a college campus. Shouting down speakers and deplatforming non-progressives is more common than one might think.

What you describe is people exercising their free speech.

Re: Cognitive ability is related to supporting freedom of speech (2020)

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Post by uoaei »

glerk wrote: post #164
citizenkeen wrote: post #127

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That is perfectly in line with freedom of speech. Is the government showing up and arresting the speakers? No? Then freedom of speech is intact.

I’m so tired of this argument. Who cares if it’s the government, private business, or other citizens who do the censorship? The result is the same: censorship. Next you’re gonna tell me to go build my own university/social media platform/payment processor/ISP/etc. if I don’t like it.

If you stop talking because someone else has a better argument, that means you lose the debate, not that you are being censored.

Re: Cognitive ability is related to supporting freedom of speech (2020)

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Post by hahaxdxd123 »

sfpotter wrote: post #18
tgv wrote: post #7

It seems to be based on data grouped on questionable labeling of dubious grouping of people, correlated with a weak proxy of cognitive ability (How many word associations do homosexuals get right; that's really one of the cells in the analysis). And it answers nothing of interest. How is this publishable?

Cognitive Ability Is Related to How Seriously You Take Studies Like This

Also,

"although cognitive ability was related to more affective prejudice toward relatively conservative groups and less affective prejudice toward relatively liberal groups"

You can also use this study to write "Cognitive ability linked to hatred of conservatives."

lmao

Re: Cognitive ability is related to supporting freedom of speech (2020)

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Post by phpisthebest »

ok_dad wrote: post #190
glerk wrote: post #164

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I’m so tired of this argument. Who cares if it’s the government, private business, or other citizens who do the censorship? The result is the same: censorship. Next you’re gonna tell me to go build my own university/social media platform/payment processor/ISP/etc. if I don’t like it.

If the alternative is to force someone else to host and reproduce your views who doesn’t want to, then I’d say that’s acceptable. I’d you want a large platform on which to spout your views, you should secure that yourself. Your 1st amendment right is to stand on a soapbox in the town square and yell as loud as you want, and that’s all.

That that is a very limited view of the concept / principle of free speech,

While it may be technically correct in the context of US Constitutional law, people that make this claim expose their opposition to the wider concept of free expression and likely would be the first ones to support an amendment to weaken the 1st amendment

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Post by uoaei »

lettergram wrote: post #202
slg wrote: post #135

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People on HN and in this thread in particular have such a one sided view of this issue. For some reason people here only think the left is attacking free speech when the truth is that free speech is under attack from both the left and right. One of those two has been much more effective translating these attacks into laws which I would expect to be the most concerning for proponents of free speech and yet it is alway…

While I agree-ish, I can list a litany of people deplatformed. All of them are on the right. It could just be only the left has power at the moment. A common question is why the Ayatollah is on Twitter (and I think Facebook) calling for death, but Alex Jones isn’t allowed to question events. We can argue both are reprehensible, but only one is banned. Beyond that I haven’t seen anyone on the right truly call for limi…

I can list a litany of people deplatformed. All of them are on the left.

Selection bias does not a good argument make.

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Post by rgrieselhuber »

cortesoft wrote: post #105
Dig1t wrote: post #55

I grew up in the US being told that freedom of speech was a virtue, something that our country did very well and I always thought that it was a shared value. It's very surprising to me to see that change in such a short span, or possibly it was not as popular or widespread as I thought it was growing up and I just never noticed. Is it the internet that has caused this uptick in the number of people who think free spe…

I have not heard any group calling for free speech to be blocked. Who is calling for people to be arrested for what they say? Or to be blocked from being able to say it out loud? I think what you mean is that people are calling for internet platforms to kick out certain groups. This is in no way a call against freedom of speech. I am not sure why people suddenly believe that being for 'free speech' means that other p…

This is the “if you don’t like it, go build your own multi-billion dollar monopoly internet service” argument. And then it’s just one more step to call for public-private partnerships in combatting “misinformation.”

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Post by cies »

ModernMech wrote: post #118
rmatt2000 wrote: post #109

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You should spend some time on a college campus. Shouting down speakers and deplatforming non-progressives is more common than one might think.

Isn’t shouting an exercise of speech?

Exactly, not being able to put a giant sound system in the city center blasting rave is hampering my freedom of expression!

So there are many rules that have always limited expression.

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Post by [deleted] »

OrangeMonkey wrote: post #76
bigbasedwolf wrote: post #69

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Not sure when you think this shift happened. HN intellectuals migrated from here almost 10 years ago. I don’t think the atmosphere has changed it’s always been a young loudmouth group. Dang is a recent entry in the compendium. HN has never really been a highly intellectual place simply because a number of key subjects, viewpoints are off limits. Inability to at will gracefully discuss sensitive subjects basically mea…

Where did the intellectuals from 10 years ago migrate to?

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