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Re: The Next Chapter for Learning on YouTube

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Post by optimalsolver »

Gigachad wrote: post #156
movedx wrote: post #99

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't understand YouTube's move to remove the downvote button - cyber bullying? What I will say though is it actually hasn't stopped me from being able to identify a bad video. If a "bad" video had 1,000 upvotes and (previously) had 10,000 downvotes, combined with a high view count and engage via the comments, just removing the downvotes still tells me everything I need to know: 1,000 upvotes on a high view count v…

Because corporate videos like movie trailers kept getting destroyed and it became a news event when there was a massive downvote count. They had a setting to disable votes per video but that just means the company admits the video is unpopular.

>movie trailers kept getting destroyed and it became a news event when there was a massive downvote count

Ah, so they did it to counter vote-brigading? Makes sense now.

Re: The Next Chapter for Learning on YouTube

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Post by archerx »

agileAlligator wrote: post #240
moffkalast wrote: post #113

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Solution proposed by viewers: Firefox is now the definitive Youtube viewing platform.

Solution proposed by Google: Block Youtube on non-chromium browsers (using a method other than user-agent validation)

At that point I stop using youtube forever. I can barely tolerate it in it’s current state.

Re: The Next Chapter for Learning on YouTube

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Post by hgo »

djaychela wrote: post #42

I produce Music Tech-based educational content on YT. It started as a hobby and sideline to my main work (which at the time was classroom teaching of the same content). While I'm no longer working in classrooms (pandemic plus other reasons led to this), I'm still producing content, which I think is of good quality and worthwhile. The issue I have with it is that I refuse to produce attention-grabbing clickbaity title…

Hi,

I tried to find your channel, but I don't think I found it. Would you say it's name or link to it, if you don't mind me asking?

Re: The Next Chapter for Learning on YouTube

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Post by ajsnigrutin »

derefr wrote: post #74
CobrastanJorji wrote: post #5

> Every day, people come to YouTube to learn something new. True. > shows content on commonly used education apps without distractions like ads, external links or recommendations External links seem important on educational files, and I kind of like recommendations when I'm browsing educational stuff, but whoo, no ads on educational stuff? That's great! > Next year, qualified creators can begin offering free or paid…

The alternative isn’t these creators giving their content away; the alternative is these creators using one of the dozens of paid-video-course hosting platforms that have sprung up. This isn’t going to put a paywall in front of any content that didn’t already have a paywall in front of it.

Yes, but you as a consumer choose youtube, because you pretty much know that all the content there (from your home feed to search result, to related videos) is free. You start with a soldering tutorial, then click on the related video on how to solder SMD components, then a related video about how transistors work, then you find a nice documentary about the history of computing, about enigma, etc... so you click through videos, watch (or adblock) the ads, and learn a bunch of stuff.

Now, most (or even all) of those related videos will be replaced by "pay to watch" videos, and i'm 99.9% sure, that the algorithms will prioritize paid video over free content, so all the free stuff will get buried, and you're left with shitty paid content of worse quality than those old, free videos.

Re: The Next Chapter for Learning on YouTube

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Post by ajsnigrutin »

"Pay to watch"

I'm willing to bet that the algorithms will prioretize these videos over free videos... so, after watching a video on transistors (like you do now), you won't get a related video about history of computing (in the related bar, like you do now), but that video will get hidden, and you'll see a bunch of "pay to watch" content there.

The result it, some people will pay for stuff that's already available for free, hidden by the algorithms, some people won't learn something new, because they won't want to pay, and wont bother doing advance searches, and "free" creators will lose ad revenue and be forced to produce "pay to watch" videos.

Re: The Next Chapter for Learning on YouTube

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Post by gtsop »

Ayesh wrote: post #165
thenerdhead wrote: post #67

Maybe just me, but I'm not really excited for established YouTubers to sell more stuff and expand their empires. It's already a winner-take-all game of attention. The beauty of YouTube is finding like a retired professor who puts up their lectures on an account with a couple thousand subscribers. It is not having a click-bait worthy thumbnail, over-produced video, and barely learning anything while being mindlessly e…

I found channels with 10k-100k subscribers to be extremely high in quality and... bespoke. Just these days, I am learning a lot about OpenWRT while I wait for my router to arrive, and there was one channel with near 30k subscribers run by an amazing person, as he shares quite detailed information about routers, even the ones that are less exciting. This was such a fresh breath from Linus Tech Tips style "we upgraded…

Mind to share that openwrt channel? Thanks!

Re: The Next Chapter for Learning on YouTube

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Post by Ayesh »

gtsop wrote: post #266
Ayesh wrote: post #165

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I found channels with 10k-100k subscribers to be extremely high in quality and... bespoke. Just these days, I am learning a lot about OpenWRT while I wait for my router to arrive, and there was one channel with near 30k subscribers run by an amazing person, as he shares quite detailed information about routers, even the ones that are less exciting. This was such a fresh breath from Linus Tech Tips style "we upgraded…

Mind to share that openwrt channel? Thanks!

https://www.youtube.com/c/OneMarcFifty

Re: The Next Chapter for Learning on YouTube

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Post by meheleventyone »

charcircuit wrote: post #181
ant_li0n wrote: post #72

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The problem is it isn't "good" thumbnails. It's that stupid fucking, "who farted?" face. Or more often for young women, it's "Uh-oh, I did a bad thing" face. I agree, race to the bottom of the brain stem. I sympathize with GP

It's not stupid if it works. It's not like it's YouTube who is deciding these types of thumbnails perform well. It's just that users engage with those kinds of thumbnails more. The race is about making the best possible thumbnail based of empirical data and not aesthetics.

Right but the context to this is not fixed and is human constructed. Just because a bad system produces undesirable outcomes doesn’t mean we have to shrug our shoulders as if this is the only possible state of things.

Re: The Next Chapter for Learning on YouTube

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Post by rypskar »

djaychela wrote: post #42

I produce Music Tech-based educational content on YT. It started as a hobby and sideline to my main work (which at the time was classroom teaching of the same content). While I'm no longer working in classrooms (pandemic plus other reasons led to this), I'm still producing content, which I think is of good quality and worthwhile. The issue I have with it is that I refuse to produce attention-grabbing clickbaity title…

Good to see producers also don't like attention-grabbing titles or thumbnails. I fight clickbate with the only tool I have found. If a recommended canal have clickbait titles, shocked faces on the thumbnails or if the titles are auto-translated to my language I select never recommend this canal and move on to the next
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