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Re: The Next Chapter for Learning on YouTube

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Post by djaychela »

Pr0ject217 wrote: post #69
djaychela wrote: post #42

I produce Music Tech-based educational content on YT. It started as a hobby and sideline to my main work (which at the time was classroom teaching of the same content). While I'm no longer working in classrooms (pandemic plus other reasons led to this), I'm still producing content, which I think is of good quality and worthwhile. The issue I have with it is that I refuse to produce attention-grabbing clickbaity title…

Would you mind sharing a link to your content? Thank you.

Thanks. It's musictechtuition - https://www.youtube.com/c/musictechtuition

Re: The Next Chapter for Learning on YouTube

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Post by djaychela »

lancesells wrote: post #128
djaychela wrote: post #42

I produce Music Tech-based educational content on YT. It started as a hobby and sideline to my main work (which at the time was classroom teaching of the same content). While I'm no longer working in classrooms (pandemic plus other reasons led to this), I'm still producing content, which I think is of good quality and worthwhile. The issue I have with it is that I refuse to produce attention-grabbing clickbaity title…

Could you share your channel? Always interested in educational music content.

Thanks. It's musictechtuition - https://www.youtube.com/c/musictechtuition

Re: The Next Chapter for Learning on YouTube

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Post by cobertos »

ballenf wrote: post #15
cobertos wrote: post #9

> shows content on commonly used education apps without distractions like ads, external links or recommendations It's almost like they know how addicting their recommendations and other "distractions" are. They have to make a separate product to actually create a healthy environment for learning.

I think it's more so that many schools use unofficial YouTube frontends that already hide ads & recommendations. The elementary schools in my area do anyway.

Interesting, I had no idea! Would love to see metrics on this to see if it was more widespread

Re: The Next Chapter for Learning on YouTube

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Post by YetAnotherNick »

tmpz22 wrote: post #19
yjftsjthsd-h wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Just to play Devil's Advocate (and I can't believe that I'm arguing for YouTube here): Why shouldn't they charge for a useful service? And it does sound like they're removing other major problems with using their platform for this purpose.

Problem: Creators want to be paid more for their content (great content, good content, bad content, etc) Solution proposed by Google: Lets charge customers who view this content so that we can pay creators more without losing revenue. Solution proposed by Consumers: Lets give creators a larger share of youtube's profits. We're already paying for the service by offering our data, our youtube premium subscriptions, and…

Even if youtube gives total of its ad revenue(not just profit) to its creator, it will still amount to something like a dollar per 5 views. Which is too low for high quality niche content.

[0]: https://www.omnicoreagency.com/youtube-statistics/

Re: The Next Chapter for Learning on YouTube

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Post by djaychela »

yamazakiwi wrote: post #58
djaychela wrote: post #42

I produce Music Tech-based educational content on YT. It started as a hobby and sideline to my main work (which at the time was classroom teaching of the same content). While I'm no longer working in classrooms (pandemic plus other reasons led to this), I'm still producing content, which I think is of good quality and worthwhile. The issue I have with it is that I refuse to produce attention-grabbing clickbaity title…

It depends on what you want. Google is optimizing for eye balls so content that warrants more engagement is going to win. 2 questions on the end of the spectrum to ask yourself... Do you want to build a community that is a reflection of your ideas? Do you want to build revenue by growing your channel regardless of the type of consumer you attract?

> Do you want to build a community that is a reflection of your ideas?

I do, and I think I've done that - I have regular viewers who I interact with, and some of them also get private tuition from me. Many more, though, have bought my book on Cubase and Music Technology, and have found it useful, which is wonderful for me. It's precisely why I don't engage in OTT titles or "shock face" thumbnails - although they are a lot better produced than when I first started the channel (which look more like 1940s UK Government infomercial titles!)

>Do you want to build revenue by growing your channel regardless of the type of consumer you attract?

No, I don't. I'm fortunate that I don't need to earn a lot of money to get by, and I'm not very materially driven. I have a decent house with no mortgage, and no expensive hobbies (any more!) or vices, and I'm generally pretty happy where I am. I'd love to make 10x what I'm making at the moment, and be able to devote a day or two a week to making videos, but I think it'd be difficult to get 10x the subscribers to allow me to do that.

Re: The Next Chapter for Learning on YouTube

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Post by kubanczyk »

rexpop wrote: post #199
insightcheck wrote: post #115

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> "The issue is, I think, exactly that everyone must be at least partially a salesman to get ahead. Is this what we want?" Regardless of what we as a society want, and even if YouTube never existed, it's the reality that salesmanship is always important to some extent. Persuasive communication is important even outside of business: it's key for academia to get grants, it's important for non-profits to get funding and…

> Persuasive communication is important even outside of business. You said "outside of business," and then gave three examples of _asking for money_. You could have said "in dating," or "in electoral politics," but even in those examples, "persuasive" speech verges on "coercive" speech. > you can play the game with some ethics instead of not playing at all and losing out. In a darwinian competition, eg "the marketpla…

> In a darwinian competition, eg "the marketplace of ideas," ethics will always lose out to money

I might be confused about the context or definitions, but I didn't read on any darwinian model that included notion of "losing out to". Did oaks lose out to orcas? Or was it the other way around?

Sales were around before the industrial revolution and likely before the agrarian revolution. I'd conjecture that whether one employs ethics or not, a moderate amount of salesmanship can spice up ones daily hunting-gathering.

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Post by wiseowise »

Gigachad wrote: post #156
movedx wrote: post #99

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I don't understand YouTube's move to remove the downvote button - cyber bullying? What I will say though is it actually hasn't stopped me from being able to identify a bad video. If a "bad" video had 1,000 upvotes and (previously) had 10,000 downvotes, combined with a high view count and engage via the comments, just removing the downvotes still tells me everything I need to know: 1,000 upvotes on a high view count v…

Because corporate videos like movie trailers kept getting destroyed and it became a news event when there was a massive downvote count. They had a setting to disable votes per video but that just means the company admits the video is unpopular.

Poor multibillion companies getting bullied, who can defend them?!

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Post by istinetz »

mindcrime wrote: post #7

Next year, qualified creators can begin offering free or paid Courses to provide in-depth, structured learning experiences for viewers. Viewers who choose to buy a Course can watch the video ad-free and play it in the background. So you're cloning Udemy? Meh. Not much to be excited about so far. Finally, to help learners apply what they’ve learned, we’re introducing Quizzes — a new way for creators to help viewers te…

>Hasn't the technology progressed to the point that quizzes could be integrated right into the video player?

Coursera does this right now. It's very useful.

Re: The Next Chapter for Learning on YouTube

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Post by quantumsequoia »

butwhywhyoh wrote: post #197
mierle wrote: post #171

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Take a look at Veritasium's perspective on this issue [1]. Veritasium reflects on clickbait thumbnails from the content producer perspective, and balances that against the motivation behind YouTube's algorithms. His final conclusion is that cilckbait isn't all bad, and that it serves an important purpose for both viewers and content creators. His classification of clickbait into different types is also fascinating. […

In other words, an elaborate justification for him joining the other YouTube clickbait clowns. Been watching him from basically when his channel started many, many years ago. Was really disappointed to see him give in to this.

Seems like a well argued, valid justification to me. Do you have a counter argument to his argument?

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Post by noduerme »

LouisSayers wrote: post #84
djaychela wrote: post #42

I produce Music Tech-based educational content on YT. It started as a hobby and sideline to my main work (which at the time was classroom teaching of the same content). While I'm no longer working in classrooms (pandemic plus other reasons led to this), I'm still producing content, which I think is of good quality and worthwhile. The issue I have with it is that I refuse to produce attention-grabbing clickbaity title…

This reminds me of a saying I've heard from Dean Graziosi (sales type guy). "Sell them what they want, give them what they need". I also dislike this whole game where you have to essentially mould yourself into this "mainstream click-baity character", but part of me recognises that if your goal is to sell, then you'd be wise to spend time on presenting your content in a way that is at least initially attention grabbi…

If that were a viable model for maintaining an audience, McDonald's would've found a way to sell food that doesn't kill people.
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