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Re: The Next Chapter for Learning on YouTube

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Post by mym1990 »

djaychela wrote: post #42

I produce Music Tech-based educational content on YT. It started as a hobby and sideline to my main work (which at the time was classroom teaching of the same content). While I'm no longer working in classrooms (pandemic plus other reasons led to this), I'm still producing content, which I think is of good quality and worthwhile. The issue I have with it is that I refuse to produce attention-grabbing clickbaity title…

Totally see where you are coming from, and as a consumer I try to avoid any video that smells like clickbait.

There are many channels that do have great content and accurate captions/thumbnails. From what I’ve seen, having high quality, consistent content over a prolonged period of time is a pretty sure way to grow.

Re: The Next Chapter for Learning on YouTube

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Post by nwienert »

OJFord wrote: post #179
nwienert wrote: post #91

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You’re baking in the assumption that goofy hat is 100% correlated with bad content, but I’d say 30% of my YouTube subscriptions do the goofy hat thing (usually just having somewhat baity thumbnails / titles) yet deliver great content. And honestly? I don’t care. The content is good, and if the hat gets them more viewers then all the better.

I'm not who you replied to, but I do care, I don't want to be made to feel stupid, I don't want to think that people are stupid, I want things to be presented as they are even if not immediately understands them. In the UK we see this with nonsense talk of 'the [energy] price cap' being some £ figure per year - when it's not, it's a £/kWh cap, but the media can't cope with that, we're stuck with what it means for 'th…

Ok well that’s a different scenario. I mean I agree some things are dumbed down way too much.

I’m just saying there’s a decent reason for some of it. A huge audience on YouTube are children, teens.

Re: The Next Chapter for Learning on YouTube

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Post by lioeters »

outside1234 wrote: post #8

Good stuff - I could have never imagined how much I could learn through YouTube - it has basically taken my Spanish from a very rudimentary level to being able to almost watch Netflix series without subtitles (via Dreaming Spanish, which is hosted on YouTube).

Oh I'm so glad you mentioned Dreaming Spanish. From the first video I'm already learning new words, phrases, sentences in Spanish - without any English at all. This immersive approach, and the bite-sized self-contained video shorts, are just what I needed.

https://www.dreamingspanish.com/

Re: The Next Chapter for Learning on YouTube

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Post by jrm4 »

hydrolox wrote: post #172
jrm4 wrote: post #129

Yeah, I don't need details and we don't need this. The real issue is, the world loves and perhaps needs "universal video hosting," something like "the open web" but for video. Right now, "Youtube" is that. And they're not a completely awful steward of it, but we need better. The for-profit model is not ideal.

how can it be free and not for profit at large scale?

The same way the internet, email, bittorrent and even cryptocurrencies are?

Re: The Next Chapter for Learning on YouTube

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Post by edgyquant »

mym1990 wrote: post #191
djaychela wrote: post #42

I produce Music Tech-based educational content on YT. It started as a hobby and sideline to my main work (which at the time was classroom teaching of the same content). While I'm no longer working in classrooms (pandemic plus other reasons led to this), I'm still producing content, which I think is of good quality and worthwhile. The issue I have with it is that I refuse to produce attention-grabbing clickbaity title…

Totally see where you are coming from, and as a consumer I try to avoid any video that smells like clickbait. There are many channels that do have great content and accurate captions/thumbnails. From what I’ve seen, having high quality, consistent content over a prolonged period of time is a pretty sure way to grow.

Yeah it is, and once people grow they stop making that quality content in favor of the churn

Re: The Next Chapter for Learning on YouTube

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Post by butwhywhyoh »

mierle wrote: post #171
djaychela wrote: post #42

I produce Music Tech-based educational content on YT. It started as a hobby and sideline to my main work (which at the time was classroom teaching of the same content). While I'm no longer working in classrooms (pandemic plus other reasons led to this), I'm still producing content, which I think is of good quality and worthwhile. The issue I have with it is that I refuse to produce attention-grabbing clickbaity title…

Take a look at Veritasium's perspective on this issue [1]. Veritasium reflects on clickbait thumbnails from the content producer perspective, and balances that against the motivation behind YouTube's algorithms. His final conclusion is that cilckbait isn't all bad, and that it serves an important purpose for both viewers and content creators. His classification of clickbait into different types is also fascinating. […

In other words, an elaborate justification for him joining the other YouTube clickbait clowns.

Been watching him from basically when his channel started many, many years ago. Was really disappointed to see him give in to this.

Re: The Next Chapter for Learning on YouTube

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Post by allenbrunson »

mym1990 wrote: post #191
djaychela wrote: post #42

I produce Music Tech-based educational content on YT. It started as a hobby and sideline to my main work (which at the time was classroom teaching of the same content). While I'm no longer working in classrooms (pandemic plus other reasons led to this), I'm still producing content, which I think is of good quality and worthwhile. The issue I have with it is that I refuse to produce attention-grabbing clickbaity title…

Totally see where you are coming from, and as a consumer I try to avoid any video that smells like clickbait. There are many channels that do have great content and accurate captions/thumbnails. From what I’ve seen, having high quality, consistent content over a prolonged period of time is a pretty sure way to grow.

> Totally see where you are coming from, and as a consumer I try to avoid any video that smells like clickbait.

same.

i watch a lot of youtube. i pay monthly for it, so i don't have to see ads. i've seen linus tech tips videos come up in my recommendations a time or two, and i am never going to watch them, just on principle. boy do i ever hate the mugging and pimping people like him indulge in, in an effort to bait me into watching.

Re: The Next Chapter for Learning on YouTube

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Post by rexpop »

insightcheck wrote: post #115
klabb3 wrote: post #94

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> but part of me recognises that if your goal is to sell , then you'd be wise to spend time on presenting your content in a way that is at least initially attention grabbing. The issue is, I think, exactly that everyone must be at least partially a salesman to get ahead. Is this what we want? Is there a way for YouTube to compensate for clickbaity titles and thumbnails? Are they incentivized to do so? Thinking back a…

> "The issue is, I think, exactly that everyone must be at least partially a salesman to get ahead. Is this what we want?" Regardless of what we as a society want, and even if YouTube never existed, it's the reality that salesmanship is always important to some extent. Persuasive communication is important even outside of business: it's key for academia to get grants, it's important for non-profits to get funding and…

> Persuasive communication is important even outside of business.

You said "outside of business," and then gave three examples of _asking for money_. You could have said "in dating," or "in electoral politics," but even in those examples, "persuasive" speech verges on "coercive" speech.

> you can play the game with some ethics instead of not playing at all and losing out.

In a darwinian competition, eg "the marketplace of ideas," ethics will always lose out to money. To play is to lose.

Re: The Next Chapter for Learning on YouTube

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Post by kumarvvr »

This feels like forced innovation.

Why not build a new product, that actually does what they want to do? And use the YT infrastructure?

Why does Google have to shoehorn everything into YT?

It is important to note that having your videos on a platform like Udemy or the likes is orders of magnitude better than on youtube.

The clickbaity titles are a drag on cognition in YT.

Has anyone noticed how the YT recommendation algorithm is absolutely shit? I watch one video of some obscure thing, by mistake, and I get recommended for it for weeks.

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