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Re: Will young Americans want to work in semiconductor manufacturing? [video]

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Post by Gollapalli »

eru wrote: post #266
tuatoru wrote: post #199

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Yeah, the next decade is going to be interesting to watch. In Taiwan, for instance, the working age population peaked just five years ago[1], so I doubt that the fact that their worker shortage is permanent and going to get worse has yet sunk in the brains of the management and political class in Taiwan. Give it ten years, they might start understanding what's going on. Based on China's and Japan's responses, they'll…

Taiwan could import labour.

This is not and will never be an effective, sustainable solution.

It is akin to assuming that you can import soil after you have depleted your own. Human ecology matters as much as soil ecology does.

Re: Will young Americans want to work in semiconductor manufacturing? [video]

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Post by jmpman »

kbelder wrote: post #27
jmpman wrote: post #4

My nanny’s sister just started working at a semiconductor plant. Unfortunately she’s talking my nanny into joining. So, yes, if they pay enough.

Heh. Sorry for your nanny loss, but that's awesome.

Most my nannies have been high school seniors with half days. Out of the 5 Nannie’s, 3 have gone on to graduate from a 4 year college, and one just finished her associates. One is now a nurse and another is starting med school next year.

The job is low stress. My kids are easy. We ask the Nannie’s to do nothing but supervise the kids doing their chores (basically loading/unloading the dishwasher and tending to the dogs), drive, and help the kids with their homework (I don’t think the kids have needed help in the last 2 years). Most of them play board games with the kids after homework/chores are done. Something to keep the kids off screens. Most of this is done while the Nannie’s are working on their own homework.

Re: Will young Americans want to work in semiconductor manufacturing? [video]

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Post by sentinalien »

tristor wrote: post #137
xwdv wrote: post #100

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A lot of people cannot escape. And it often surprises me how many people really don’t want to work in software.

Ironically, I much prefer hardware to software myself, but during college (while studying EE) decided that it was a deadend career path and figured out a way to be software-adjacent without having to be a developer. It worked out pretty well for me so far. The reality is that most people follow incentives, almost nobody works their actual dream job, they work the job that they have the most return for their abilities…

What is your software-adjacent but not software development job?

Re: Will young Americans want to work in semiconductor manufacturing? [video]

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Post by eru »

Gollapalli wrote: post #341
eru wrote: post #266

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Taiwan could import labour.

This is not and will never be an effective, sustainable solution. It is akin to assuming that you can import soil after you have depleted your own. Human ecology matters as much as soil ecology does.

Cities have been importing population since the dawn of history. How sustainable do you want sustainable to be?

Re: Will young Americans want to work in semiconductor manufacturing? [video]

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Post by cxr »

jason-phillips wrote: post #285
cxr wrote: post #280

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The nice thing about the trick used in this comment is that it basically allows the person making it to just decide to believe whatever they want—and you hardly even notice it doesn't contain anything substantive about the real topic at hand or that it carries a personal attack as its payload, right there in the open but under the radar.

I'm full of tricks, cxr. You'll get used to it.

I know and I am.

Re: Will young Americans want to work in semiconductor manufacturing? [video]

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Post by R0b0t1 »

0xbadc0de5 wrote: post #338
R0b0t1 wrote: post #325

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If the work is repetitive I'm not sure you can say it was good experience. Your time would have been better spent learning or creating, I assume. No reason to want your children to work.

I'm not sure you're qualified to have an opinion on what I took away from my own experience or whether I'd want my children to have access to similar opportunities. For the record, I did say it was a good experience and I stand by that. In fact, I would even go so far as to say that the time I spent working construction and flipping burgers prior to that also had value. I think it's a mistake to assume that just beca…

You don't think I'm qualified? Why? Because what I said made you feel bad for some reason? Well jackass, you're definitely not qualified, keep reading. Or maybe don't, because what people put in books must also be wrong because you're a special snowflake.

Sigh. There's another conversation I had on here that went similar to this one. Basically, a guy was saying, "the tough road I took to get to my position is what made me who I am" which is perhaps literally true but also trash. There is always a way you could have gotten to where you are today, or indeed even a better place, with less hardship. If you rubbed a lamp and a genie asked if you wanted to change anything about your past, saying "no I'm perfectly happy with who I am today" is a brazen lie and about the stupidest thing you could do. You have no regrets? You don't want to be a better person? The hell is wrong with you?

Likewise, why want hardship for your children just for the sake of hardship? They could learn without hardship just as well, though you may not be smart enough to figure out how.

Re: Will young Americans want to work in semiconductor manufacturing? [video]

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Post by 0xbadc0de5 »

R0b0t1 wrote: post #346
0xbadc0de5 wrote: post #338

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I'm not sure you're qualified to have an opinion on what I took away from my own experience or whether I'd want my children to have access to similar opportunities. For the record, I did say it was a good experience and I stand by that. In fact, I would even go so far as to say that the time I spent working construction and flipping burgers prior to that also had value. I think it's a mistake to assume that just beca…

You don't think I'm qualified? Why? Because what I said made you feel bad for some reason? Well jackass, you're definitely not qualified, keep reading. Or maybe don't, because what people put in books must also be wrong because you're a special snowflake. Sigh. There's another conversation I had on here that went similar to this one. Basically, a guy was saying, "the tough road I took to get to my position is what ma…

For someone who claims to be such an expert on my subjective experiences, you seem to rely an awful lot on name-calling, straw-man arguments and assuming opinions I have not stated. Bravo.

Re: Will young Americans want to work in semiconductor manufacturing? [video]

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Post by littlestymaar »

ModernMech wrote: post #58
polishdude20 wrote: post #16

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This world view seems like a potential death spiral. As world views become bleak, is encouraging people to say "fuck it" and maximize for enjoyment really the best move? Whatever happened to working hard to build a future for oneself? Yes, I understand there are higher powers that be and people with much more powers than you and I that are ruining the future but is the answer really to lay down and be engulfed in the…

> Whatever happened to working hard to build a future for oneself? People are discovering that working hard doesn't build a better future for oneself, it builds a better future for CEOs and shareholders.

On the company's parking lot, an employee sees the company's owner getting out of his Ferrari.

“Nice car you got there boss.

− See, if you work hard, don't count your hours and dedicate your entire life to work, by the end of the year I could buy a second one”

Re: Will young Americans want to work in semiconductor manufacturing? [video]

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Post by Gollapalli »

eru wrote: post #344
Gollapalli wrote: post #341

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This is not and will never be an effective, sustainable solution. It is akin to assuming that you can import soil after you have depleted your own. Human ecology matters as much as soil ecology does.

Cities have been importing population since the dawn of history. How sustainable do you want sustainable to be?

Folks have been importing top soil for a long time too. That doesn't mean that you get to be okay with soil erosion. Or for a better example, folks have been digging wells and building canals for agriculture for as long as civilization has existed. That doesn't mean you get to deplete your aquifers and natural reservoirs.

I want sustainable to be sustainable. Responsible societies should be able to maintain and improve the people that they have. Any people imported should be a supplementary augmentation, calculated for sustainable growth and improvement of the society as a whole. An augmentation, a supplement, is very different from a replacement. A replacement is what happens when you have the irresponsible depletion of human capital, and frankly, any immigrant should not want to go to a place where human capital is unsustainably depleted in such a way, as their own offspring are likely to receive the same treatment.

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