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Will young Americans want to work in semiconductor manufacturing? [video]

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Re: Will young Americans want to work in semiconductor manufacturing? [video]

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Post by bmismyname »

godelski wrote: post #88
bmismyname wrote: post #82

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Personally I'm not saying "fuck it", but I have reached the point where I just won't go along with the bullshit anymore. I'm going to fight.

Sounds like you are playing the game then. Good. Fight to make the world better instead of selling depression. Depression is contagious after all.

I reject the idea that depression is the source of your problems. It's just a symptom. Treating depression as anything other than a symptom won't make you happier, at best you'll feel numb, but likely maintain your profound sense of sadness.

If everyone's depressed, we shouldn't be asking "how do we get more SSRIs into these people?", but rather "how do we fix society so people aren't depressed?".

Re: Will young Americans want to work in semiconductor manufacturing? [video]

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Post by the_only_law »

Curzel wrote: post #20
JimmieMcnulty wrote: post #14

Honestly, based on the content of this video and the replies from the prior HN thread, it seems like folks are locked into the belief that the current manufacturing... "experience" (for lack of a better term) for the workers involved will be lifted from Asia and dropped into the US, but that doesn't actually make any sense to me. Sure, that's how the world knows how to make chips now, but given the varying laws betwe…

Agree… only issue might be managers and supervisors coming from manufacturing in Asia, they will have to re-learn how to treat workers, but I am hopeful

Wasn’t there a documentary about this or something? I swear I’ve seen this premise play out somewhere.

Re: Will young Americans want to work in semiconductor manufacturing? [video]

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Post by bmismyname »

imtringued wrote: post #90
bmismyname wrote: post #73

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Housing is treated as an investment these days, instead of as housing. That's the fundamental cause of unaffordability, and it exacerbates the problem. It's easily fixed with the right policies, but at this point it can never be fixed (with a huge political left turn, maybe). Making it easier to obtain leverage doesn't make housing cheaper, it just makes the prices go even higher faster.

It's the same with money, when money deflates it's treated as an investment too, not a medium of exchange. Just like housing being too expensive ruins it's ability to provide housing for everyone, money being too expensive causes a recession and unemployment. The difference however is that money can be created through borrowing so it doesn't go up in value but housing is restricted through zoning and the availability…

You're correct, but the other thing with housing is that we actually have a supply glut. There are something like 16 million vacant homes in the US (according to numbers from an internet search).

Why so many vacant homes? The answer (as with everything in economics) is that the incentives are such that it's better to sit on a vacant home. In other words, our current system incentivizes hoarding homes.

Re: Will young Americans want to work in semiconductor manufacturing? [video]

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Post by imtringued »

jamestimmins wrote: post #49
bmismyname wrote: post #6

Will there be low wages with huge bonuses for the CEOs while the workers have to struggle to pay rent? Young people know the future is not bright, and I encourage them to enjoy their lives while they still can.

As a young (ish) person, I wholeheartedly disagree with and reject this worldview, and would argue you're doing others an enormous disservice by promoting it. There are enormous challenges. Life literally depends on solving them. Suggesting that they can't be solved is tantamount to telling humanity to give up and die.

They are trivial to solve but putting the solution in practice is impossible.

Re: Will young Americans want to work in semiconductor manufacturing? [video]

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Post by bmismyname »

godelski wrote: post #87
bmismyname wrote: post #78

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This is a game where the only way to win is to not play, or to have rich parents.

Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. You're talking on a form full of people who code for a living. Many who have seen their lives become substantially better. There are many problems and challenges that we still face, but that doesn't mean there are no solutions.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2021/jun/16/super-rich-f...

Re: Will young Americans want to work in semiconductor manufacturing? [video]

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Post by imtringued »

bmismyname wrote: post #78
godelski wrote: post #77

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> Suggesting that they can't be solved is tantamount to telling humanity to give up and die. Not only that, but it is _actively_ participating in the cyberpunk dystopia that they are saying is inevitable. If evil only needs good men to do nothing to grow, problems only need us to give up to become worse. (I'm clearly no poet)

This is a game where the only way to win is to not play, or to have rich parents.

Yes and that is why it is better if humanity didn't exist. I.e. nobody plays.

Entertain the idea that every human has the option to be reincarnated when they die. How many people would voluntarily kill themselves to have a chance at being born to rich parents? It wouldn't surprise me if one third of the world population is constantly killing themselves for that lottery ticket.

Re: Will young Americans want to work in semiconductor manufacturing? [video]

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Post by verisimilitudes »

imtringued wrote: post #85
polishdude20 wrote: post #16

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This world view seems like a potential death spiral. As world views become bleak, is encouraging people to say "fuck it" and maximize for enjoyment really the best move? Whatever happened to working hard to build a future for oneself? Yes, I understand there are higher powers that be and people with much more powers than you and I that are ruining the future but is the answer really to lay down and be engulfed in the…

It's a prisoners dilemma. Someone cheats and you can either not cheat and be treated like a fool while the cheater gets all the status and attention and calls you stupid and says that you deserve it or you can cheat, walk toward the cliff and fall off together with the cheater. From a societal standpoint we should teach our children to just let themselves be cheated and work anyway and shoulder the burden of the chea…

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Re: Will young Americans want to work in semiconductor manufacturing? [video]

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Post by imtringued »

joemazerino wrote: post #50
bmismyname wrote: post #6

Will there be low wages with huge bonuses for the CEOs while the workers have to struggle to pay rent? Young people know the future is not bright, and I encourage them to enjoy their lives while they still can.

Speak for yourself, nihilist. Opportunities abound for those willing to work for them.

We have to create artificial opportunities to keep that facade up.

Re: Will young Americans want to work in semiconductor manufacturing? [video]

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Post by droidist2 »

the_only_law wrote: post #92
Curzel wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Agree… only issue might be managers and supervisors coming from manufacturing in Asia, they will have to re-learn how to treat workers, but I am hopeful

Wasn’t there a documentary about this or something? I swear I’ve seen this premise play out somewhere.

Maybe American Factory (2019) or Gung Ho (1986). The latter isn't a documentary though.

Re: Will young Americans want to work in semiconductor manufacturing? [video]

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Post by xwdv »

tristor wrote: post #63

I have worked with a lot of people that escaped from fab jobs here in the US during my career. The biggest issue I see is that manufacturing has an absolutely grueling schedule and the pay is half or less than what equivalent level software jobs pay, with worse working conditions. If you want young Americans to work these jobs, you need to pay /more/ than software jobs, because the conditions are worse. Otherwise, yo…

A lot of people cannot escape. And it often surprises me how many people really don’t want to work in software.
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