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Re: The Next Chapter for Learning on YouTube

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Post by notatoad »

tmpz22 wrote: post #19
yjftsjthsd-h wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Just to play Devil's Advocate (and I can't believe that I'm arguing for YouTube here): Why shouldn't they charge for a useful service? And it does sound like they're removing other major problems with using their platform for this purpose.

Problem: Creators want to be paid more for their content (great content, good content, bad content, etc) Solution proposed by Google: Lets charge customers who view this content so that we can pay creators more without losing revenue. Solution proposed by Consumers: Lets give creators a larger share of youtube's profits. We're already paying for the service by offering our data, our youtube premium subscriptions, and…

your "solution proposed by consumers" seems obviously absurd. Google should just give away money for no reason?

If you're going to make a pitch that Google should pay more money to creators, there's got to be at least some justification for it. other than "i want more money". If google is underpaying creators, then creators should switch to other platforms. If platforms like nebula become a threat, they'll start paying more. as long as most youtubers can make more money on youtube than any other platform, there's no reason for youtube to pay more. that's how capitalism works.

Re: The Next Chapter for Learning on YouTube

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Post by voski »

djaychela wrote: post #42

I produce Music Tech-based educational content on YT. It started as a hobby and sideline to my main work (which at the time was classroom teaching of the same content). While I'm no longer working in classrooms (pandemic plus other reasons led to this), I'm still producing content, which I think is of good quality and worthwhile. The issue I have with it is that I refuse to produce attention-grabbing clickbaity title…

Hi your content sounds interesting to me. I couldn’t find a YouTube channel named djaychela. Would you mind sharing?

Re: The Next Chapter for Learning on YouTube

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Post by Gigachad »

scifibestfi wrote: post #39
CobrastanJorji wrote: post #5

> Every day, people come to YouTube to learn something new. True. > shows content on commonly used education apps without distractions like ads, external links or recommendations External links seem important on educational files, and I kind of like recommendations when I'm browsing educational stuff, but whoo, no ads on educational stuff? That's great! > Next year, qualified creators can begin offering free or paid…

The "qualified" part is sus. But otherwise isn't being able to charge directly a good thing assuming creators remove ads and any product placement?

Because if they just dumped it on everyone we would have pirated content and scam courses being sold on day one. So instead of the team getting to refine the service, they spend their time playing whack a mole with scammers.

Re: The Next Chapter for Learning on YouTube

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Post by derefr »

zwaps wrote: post #137
derefr wrote: post #74

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The alternative isn’t these creators giving their content away; the alternative is these creators using one of the dozens of paid-video-course hosting platforms that have sprung up. This isn’t going to put a paywall in front of any content that didn’t already have a paywall in front of it.

On your very last point, you seem to be wrong. These commercial platforms are neither accessible for everyone, nor do they offer the sort of reach as youtube. The choice then is paid content somewhere, or ads on youtube. By contrast, you now can chose between ads and no ads, both on youtube (and the former likely with algorithmic support). That's a different calculus that - as it seems to me - should imply more paid…

Let me phrase more precisely: as a result of this, there is not going to be any paywalled content created that otherwise would have been created as free ad-supported content. There is only going to be paywalled content created that otherwise would have been paywalled somewhere else, or not created at all.

Media entrepreneurs set out to run a certain kind of business, revenue-engine-wise; and they choose their distribution channels by what will allow them to do the revenue model they have in mind. They don't compromise on their plans by choosing a channel with a larger reach but an entirely different revenue model. If they can't start a business with the revenue model they had in mind, then they just don't start that business. (They might start some entirely different business that does fit the revenue model of the channel; but that'd be a ground-up re-think, and probably have nothing in common with the original business.)

A TV-series creative planner doesn't "compromise" when they can't get their TV pitch greenlit, by turning around and making a Hollywood movie or "direct-to-VHS" miniseries instead. Those are entirely different revenue models, and so require entirely different development strategies — different budgets, different teams, even different content!

Same with educational content. You don't put the sorts of courseware videos you'd publish on Coursera, on YouTube as ad-supported recommendation-discovered videos. They don't belong there. People won't watch them, and you won't (currently) make any money. (For one thing — as another comment thread here attests — they aren't designed to be clickbait in the way that YouTube videos are, so they'll be ignored by the recommendation engine.)

If you're already creating that type of content, you're currently creating it for some other platform where it works, and ignoring YouTube. Now YouTube will be one more "platform where it works." That doesn't change anything about whether you will have made this type of content. It only (maybe) changes how much money you'll make doing it, and so moves a few people over from "not creating educational content at all" to "creating courseware on YouTube." Just like happens incrementally every time one of the other dozens of such courseware sites pop up.

Re: The Next Chapter for Learning on YouTube

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Post by Gigachad »

movedx wrote: post #99
willhinsa wrote: post #25

Can we go back to the chapter on YouTube where we had downvotes so we can tell whether or not a video is going to be high quality and informative or not?

I don't understand YouTube's move to remove the downvote button - cyber bullying? What I will say though is it actually hasn't stopped me from being able to identify a bad video. If a "bad" video had 1,000 upvotes and (previously) had 10,000 downvotes, combined with a high view count and engage via the comments, just removing the downvotes still tells me everything I need to know: 1,000 upvotes on a high view count v…

Because corporate videos like movie trailers kept getting destroyed and it became a news event when there was a massive downvote count.

They had a setting to disable votes per video but that just means the company admits the video is unpopular.

Re: The Next Chapter for Learning on YouTube

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Post by rurp »

Koshkin wrote: post #50
svnpenn wrote: post #18

YouTube killed learning on their platform, when they killed the downvote. They removed the one metric that people had to signal that content is crap. So now people have to trust that "the algorithm" is filtering out all the junk. Which of course we know doesn't happen. The algorithm only cares about engagement, it doesn't care if the content is of good quality or even truthful.

> content is crap But that would be just someone’s personal opinion (or worse). Why should I care? Besides, people discuss things on forums, and a more detailed review is more useful than a simple vote. Finally, it is often not that hard to see whether the presentation or the content is worth your while from the first few minutes of watching it. (There are, of course, some cases when watching is made difficult becaus…

I can scan hundreds of vote counts in the time it takes to watch a few minutes of a single video. Google chose to make this process orders of magnitude worse for no good reason.

Also, why should I care about the algorithm's opinion? IME it's much much worse on average than the up+down vote ratio from thousands of individuals.

Re: The Next Chapter for Learning on YouTube

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Post by Gigachad »

HideousKojima wrote: post #125
nephanth wrote: post #104

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Regional TLDs like .us .uk .fr .ru etc. do make sense though

Until they're useful for making a catchy address, like me.ga (which wasn't hosted in Gabon)

Many region level tlds require a legal presence. .au requires you to provide an Australian Business Number to register.

It’s mostly the tiny islands that decide to cash in on fancy tlds who don’t care so much about providing them as a service to the small population.

Re: The Next Chapter for Learning on YouTube

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Post by [deleted] »

mindcrime wrote: post #7

Next year, qualified creators can begin offering free or paid Courses to provide in-depth, structured learning experiences for viewers. Viewers who choose to buy a Course can watch the video ad-free and play it in the background. So you're cloning Udemy? Meh. Not much to be excited about so far. Finally, to help learners apply what they’ve learned, we’re introducing Quizzes — a new way for creators to help viewers te…

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