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Letters about Soap (1997)

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Re: Letters about Soap (1997)

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This is an excellent addition to HN and I hope that devs and product managers alike see what happens when everyone tries to do as little as possible without taking the time to understand the bigger picture or even the underlying problem.

This could have been solved so simply at any step of the journey.

Re: Letters about Soap (1997)

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post #10

reminds me of a lot of "support" these days: figure out which script contains words which sound like the problem being described, then follow it, without actually taking the time to understand the problem

Did anyone else click on the link expecting a rant about the soap protocol?

Yes.

Only tangentially related: does anyone else have the sense that GraphQL is fancy, modern SOAP?

Re: Letters about Soap (1997)

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Flashbacks of most long support threads I've been on...

> Hi I'm $insertNewName and I'll be taking over your case. Have you tried turning it off and on again?

Despite 10 other interactions suggesting the same thing :facepalm:

That and just finding whatever support article comes up when they stuff a few keywords into their search, no matter that the same document has been linked multiple times before in the thread.

Re: Letters about Soap (1997)

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post #10

reminds me of a lot of "support" these days: figure out which script contains words which sound like the problem being described, then follow it, without actually taking the time to understand the problem

Did anyone else click on the link expecting a rant about the soap protocol?

I clicked on it expecting effusive praise of SOAP. Disappointed to find it's still only me, there must be tens of us who like it.

Re: Letters about Soap (1997)

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post #9

Part of me thinks this was faked/exaggerated at the time, except... Once on Amazon, I ordered an open tent. Basically, it is just an aluminum frame, 12 feet×12, 8 feet high, with canvas, to keep the sun off when presenting things at outdoor events. The one I received took 5 weeks to arrive, and was supposed to be new. But it was used, with scruff marks on the posts. I sent pics, and said "Hey, this is supposed to be…

I had a similar issue. I really think that it is cheaper for them to write things off, than to receive replacements.

I had an item shipped from China, and it arrived a day past when it was due (actually, it arrived in the late evening of the due date, so I guess you could say it "arrived as scheduled").

In any case, on arrival day, it had not arrived, so I sent in a complaint, and it was refunded immediately (Amazon is actually really good for that).

The problem was, it arrived, and I wanted to rescind the refund.

That's where things got complicated. After trying various things, Amazon finally just told me to keep the item (and the refund).

In point of fact, I felt bad, because I know it was a low-margin mom and pop store (albeit Chinese mom and pop). I don't think it was one of those massive "fraud factories."

But it was actually impossible to return the money.

Re: Letters about Soap (1997)

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This is an excellent addition to HN and I hope that devs and product managers alike see what happens when everyone tries to do as little as possible without taking the time to understand the bigger picture or even the underlying problem. This could have been solved so simply at any step of the journey.

Hiliariously, my PM brain that can never be at-rest was thinking about how this whole interaction could be improved. Hampered, of course, that this was dated in 1997–now hotels have magical things like in-room tablets.

Re: Letters about Soap (1997)

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post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Did anyone else click on the link expecting a rant about the soap protocol?

I clicked on it expecting effusive praise of SOAP. Disappointed to find it's still only me, there must be tens of us who like it.

Poor dear. I think they have medication for that...

I have done ONVIF programming, and I actually licensed a dependency for the SOAP part.

Re: Letters about Soap (1997)

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reminds me of a lot of "support" these days: figure out which script contains words which sound like the problem being described, then follow it, without actually taking the time to understand the problem

That's exactly what happens here. There should be some sort of "GPT-3 Summary" of support notes—I've recently had interactions where some problems were documented very clearly by good folks in early notes, but everyone that works on a case afterward tends to only read the most recent 2-3 notes.

Re: Letters about Soap (1997)

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post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Did anyone else click on the link expecting a rant about the soap protocol?

Yes. Only tangentially related: does anyone else have the sense that GraphQL is fancy, modern SOAP?

Oh no, I love me some graphql, soap on the other hand was like my worst interop nightmare.
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