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Queen Elizabeth II has died

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Post by cloutchaser »

rikthevik wrote: post #733
orobinson wrote: post #248

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I feel the same. I think it’s because it really represents the end of an era. The 20th and early 21st century ushered in unprecedented improvements to quality of life in Britain but it has felt of late that that has peaked and the country is facing a serious decline: Brexit, the increasingly visible effects of climate change, the aftermath of covid, the possible break up of the union, rising costs of living, recessio…

My understanding is that the late 70s and early 80s in England was a hopeless place. As evidence I submit Alan Moore's introduction to V for Vendetta and Ghost Town by the Specials. - https://slendertroll.tumblr.com/post/66114152363 - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ghost_Town_(Specials_song) "Naivete can also be detected in my supposition that it would take something as melodramatic as a near-miss nuclear conflict to…

"My understanding is that the late 70s and early 80s in England was a hopeless place."

Yet Thatcher is basically remembered as the devil.

I can't fathom the complete cognitive dissonance of people who believe these two things at once.

Re: Queen Elizabeth II has died

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Post by aa-jv »

savryn wrote: post #445

All my rich feelings about this as a millennial woman are from watching Netflix's The Crown. I think that fact is absolutely incredible, and I'm just noticing how it works, the glimpses of feeling I get as I scroll news feed... images from real photos of the queen seamlessly woven in with flashes of scenes and emotions evoked from watching... Even emotional bits that I KNOW are not legit accurate/real.... My mind tre…

You've learned something from fictional propaganda. Are you now prepared to face the truth of her reign and the immense suffering it caused for millions of people?

Re: Queen Elizabeth II has died

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Post by prmoustache »

saberience wrote: post #71

It's weird, I've never considered myself a "royalist" but this news has affected me quite strongly. I just burst into tears unexpectedly on hearing this news and I don't quite understand why I feel so very sad. I guess I have grown up and lived my whole life (as a Brit) seeing and hearing the Queen, singing "God save the Queen" etc, and this news made me suddenly feel very old, very nostalgic, with the sense that all…

I am an atheist and as a french who lived in the Paris surroundings for years I got some tears when I saw Notre-Dame de Paris burning. I guess it is more nostalgia and the loss of what feels like a constant in our life. The more they stay the harder it is to see them go.

Having said that while I am not the kind to wish for heads to roll I think it is a good time to realise you might not wish to allow someone else take her place and be an expensive parasite now =)

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Post by ejanus »

TheOtherHobbes wrote: post #537
throwawayacc2 wrote: post #272

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I share your feeling. I was struck by a deep sense of sadness as well. Maybe it’s silly, I don’t know, I sort of felt she was the grandma of the nation. It was a nice feeling knowing she’s there and a sad one knowing she no longer is. One thing is for sure. She did leave a mark. Winston God damn Churchill was her first time minister! When I will be old and have grandchildren, I will tell my grandchildren how I became…

The most useful Twitter comment I saw today described the Queen as "iconic". And I realised that's exactly what she was. She was iconic in the religious sense - an embodied icon of a nationalist religion. This suddenly made a lot of things about the current state of the UK much clearer. There is no practical sense in which she was genuinely "grandma of the nation." That personification goes one way only - from the po…

Longest running opera in the world. Everything carefully scripted and in a way to appeal to the masses. See how her demise played out as a drama to get the population engaged.

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Post by pydry »

TheOtherHobbes wrote: post #537
throwawayacc2 wrote: post #272

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I share your feeling. I was struck by a deep sense of sadness as well. Maybe it’s silly, I don’t know, I sort of felt she was the grandma of the nation. It was a nice feeling knowing she’s there and a sad one knowing she no longer is. One thing is for sure. She did leave a mark. Winston God damn Churchill was her first time minister! When I will be old and have grandchildren, I will tell my grandchildren how I became…

The most useful Twitter comment I saw today described the Queen as "iconic". And I realised that's exactly what she was. She was iconic in the religious sense - an embodied icon of a nationalist religion. This suddenly made a lot of things about the current state of the UK much clearer. There is no practical sense in which she was genuinely "grandma of the nation." That personification goes one way only - from the po…

I've noted the similarities between the Thai and British monarchy with unease as well.

I think it's perfectly plausible that one day the UK could be silently couped by elites using the monarchy as cover - much like Thailand was. The legal framework is all there. If the monarchy is on side, the army is on side.

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Post by vandreas2 »

jollybean wrote: post #834
orobinson wrote: post #248

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I feel the same. I think it’s because it really represents the end of an era. The 20th and early 21st century ushered in unprecedented improvements to quality of life in Britain but it has felt of late that that has peaked and the country is facing a serious decline: Brexit, the increasingly visible effects of climate change, the aftermath of covid, the possible break up of the union, rising costs of living, recessio…

'Long period of stability' since WW1? WW2? The Cold War? Maybe you're young, but this 'feeling of stability' really has only happened since 1991. I remember before that, and it was very scary living with the Soviet Union and all those countries with nukes pointed at us. Also, the 1960s-1980s wrought huge economic change, as the last phase of major 'Democratic Socialist' changes occurred, desegregation/civil rights in…

> Notably, we have seen a massive failure in the EU to not only protect itself, 100% dependent on US military defence, even in 2020 - but one of the 'root problems' was the EU powerhouse, Germany, abdicating it's defence responsibilities, and selling out the entirety of the EU to Russian energy dependence which put the EU in an existentially weak position vis-a-vis Russia. If the US did not exist, Putin would be dominating the EU via it's vast tentacles (like it is in Hungary, but much worse, and all over).

There is no 'massive' failure in the EU to protect itself as it has no such objective nor a mandate to protect itself. It's up to individual countries to spend on their armed forces as was up to Britain to spend when it was part of it and the EU didn't stop it, it did so just fine. If the US did not exist that would have been taken into account by the member countries themselves and acted accordingly.

> Instead - UK, Turkey, Ukraine, Finland, Georgia, Switzerland will possibly join the 'expanded' EU (by another name), which will mostly be trade focused. The interesting thing about that however, the other nations, notably Spain, Italy, Greece will definitely start to wonder about 'the grass being greener' in those countries.

Spain, Italy and Greece have all joined the Eurozone (Italy is a founding member btw) for their own good reasons. If they wanted less integration they could have not adopted the Euro just like a number of other countries. People seem to forget what inflation looked like for their national currencies of these countries before getting the Euro and it was not very green.

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Post by 2143 »

Where I'm at, we hear a lot more about the British monarchs than any other monarchs.

For instance, I just found out that Norway, for instance, also has a monarch. So does Sweden (?), and several other countries. But they — the Nordic monarchs — are unheard of in my country, and don't seem to have the same level of influence internationally.

Is that your experience as well?

(FWIW, my country was a former British colony but the British royalty is NOT my country's head at all).

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