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Re: Eight Secret Societies (2016)

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Post by BuyMyBitcoins » Thu, Sep 08, 2022, 9:55 PM UTC

charles_kaw wrote: post #25

Secret societies have an air of mystique around them, but often they're just social clubs with extra steps. People are social creatures, and having something to belong to is healthy for most!

Those are the fake secret societies the real ones make in order to make you think they’re all just glorified social clubs. /s

Re: Eight Secret Societies (2016)

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Post by AlbertCory » Thu, Sep 08, 2022, 9:57 PM UTC

billybuckwheat wrote: post #11

Isn't the whole idea behind a secret society that the general public doesn't know about it? I thought that's what secret meant.

I can't tell you that until you demonstrate that you know the secret handshake.

Re: Eight Secret Societies (2016)

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Post by kirbys-memeteam » Thu, Sep 08, 2022, 9:58 PM UTC

riffic wrote: post #30

gjsman-1000 wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah - the real Secret Societies are actually Secret and probably operating in our world all the time without displaying it. There's no evidence, just because you don't see Secret Societies much anymore, that they don't exist. There was a lack of evidence at the time for all the societies on the list.

btw the password to their secret ceremonies is 'fidelio'

That is the reference password, yes. What is the secret password?

Re: Eight Secret Societies (2016)

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Post by TakeBlaster16 » Thu, Sep 08, 2022, 9:59 PM UTC

kelseyfrog wrote: post #36

Some good ones to be sure, but they are leaving out a lot of the really juicy ones.

I had the same thought. I guess you and I are talking about the same Order? If so, I'll see you tomorrow evening!

Re: Eight Secret Societies (2016)

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Post by oq_computer » Thu, Sep 08, 2022, 10:02 PM UTC

'The Power of Ritual in Prehistory: Secret Societies and Origins of Social Complexity' by Brian Hayden is a super interesting read on the origin of secret societies. Apparently there has always been a dynamic in communities that whenever there is a production surplus (according to the author happens in 'transegalitarian societies'), there tends to be a very small number of individuals that feel entitled to the surplus so they start to create multiple secret society startups with rituals and initiation practices often involving a high initiation cost to eventually centralize power (and publicly punish skeptics when possible).

Another characteristic about secret societies is that actually they need to be very public (to get new members), and what is a secret instead is the reason why the society exists, that part is not revealed unless becoming part of the group.

Re: Eight Secret Societies (2016)

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Post by [deleted] » Thu, Sep 08, 2022, 10:07 PM UTC

TakeBlaster16 wrote: post #44

kelseyfrog wrote: post #36

Some good ones to be sure, but they are leaving out a lot of the really juicy ones.

I had the same thought. I guess you and I are talking about the same Order? If so, I'll see you tomorrow evening!

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Re: Eight Secret Societies (2016)

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Post by InCityDreams » Thu, Sep 08, 2022, 10:10 PM UTC

golover721 wrote: post #27

GauntletWizard wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Believe it or not, a "secret" society refers to the secrets they hold , not that the society itself is secret. The Masons are public about their existence (if quiet) but their inner "rites and rituals" are secret.

While I’m sure that used to the case, that is no longer really the case with the Masons. You can find out and read through all the different ceremonies and rites online.

Masons [have been known to] occasionally change certain things to keep known secrets to stay secret: 'letter and begin', for example.

Duncans Ceremonies is the most famous revelation of Masonic secrets, but no dues-card and not being 'in the book', ultimately counts for nothing, as you won't even be able to properly converse with a mason, nor enter a lodge, without either.

Re: Eight Secret Societies (2016)

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Post by IncRnd » Thu, Sep 08, 2022, 10:11 PM UTC

RutgerHauer wrote: post #33

IncRnd wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's a real jump to go from "secret society" to "evil criminals".

it's a real jump to go from "criminal" to "evil"

Someone didn't read before commenting.

Re: Eight Secret Societies (2016)

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Post by chris_wot » Thu, Sep 08, 2022, 10:13 PM UTC

This is an interesting headline. I would imagine there are quite a few secret societies we don't know about because they are, well, secret.

Re: Eight Secret Societies (2016)

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Post by InCityDreams » Thu, Sep 08, 2022, 10:16 PM UTC

jayofdoom wrote: post #23

criddell wrote: post #2

The article mentions how in the past, the Patriotic Order Sons of America didn't allow black people to join. They eventually changed but I'm wondering if the change was forced. Is it legal to discriminate on the basis of race or sex today?

I am a former Mason. I left the lodge due to no longer complying with their requirement to believe in a higher power (God). To be explicit: Masonry used to be segregated into "Prince Hall" masonic halls (for non-white folks) and "normal" masonic halls. This split was ended, and now Prince Hall masonic halls are full masonic lodges, and membership is recognized in both directions. In practice; every lodge I ever atten…

You dont have to believe in God. Segregation (PHL) is a US only thing. You were correct to leave. That voting system was not Masonic and I've never seen it anywhere else, and nor do i believe it would be tolerated anywhere else. Please dont edit or delete your post.