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Post by sunsetMurk »

richbell wrote: post #156
dmix wrote: post #140

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There’s no way there won’t be another site of the terminally online obsessively documenting the terminally online. There is clearly massive demand for content about people like Chris Chan and Keffals, and these people have a way of constantly generating new controversy and attention (this obviously doesn’t justify harassment or IRL threats). If the drug war taught us anything it’s that demand can’t be squashed by pla…

There are already dozens of sites like this today. Many are uncreatively named offshoots of Kiwi Farms.

have any links?

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Post by jjulius »

HereIGoAgain wrote: post #257
jjulius wrote: post #216

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It's perfectly legal for one to opt not to host something, or provide DDoS protection for it, for any reason they choose.

This is what is so scary about the hysterical fictional narrative misinforming so many. people generally don't have the first clue about the stakes and what really happened. They weren't being hosted by CF, they were getting protection against illegal DDoS attacks. CF DDoS protection is an infrastructure service. Infrastructure level services picking and choosing who is allowed and not allowed, is a very dangerous th…

>CF DDoS protection is an infrastructure service. Infrastructure level services picking and choosing who is allowed and not allowed, is a very dangerous thing. Such action quickly risk unraveling the entire net.

How old are you? Surely you're aware that this has been an option for all infrastructure level services since the inception of the world wide web? And that this is by no means the first (there have been thousands upon thousands of decisions made like this, large and small), nor the last, time this will happen? And that in the 30+ years of the web's existence these kinds of infrastructure level services have been executing these options, the "entire net" has yet to "unravel" and sites like KF and 8chan, et al continue to find homes on the internet?

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Post by ThrowawayTestr »

badRNG wrote: post #260
ThrowawayTestr wrote: post #256

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Not only is there a suicide note, but their employer confirmed their passing. This defense is one that is parroted almost exclusively by the KF users responsible for Near's death to deflect blame. The burden of proof is on you to demonstrate that there is some conspiracy afoot to fake a suicide. You mentioned that all Kiwi Farms does is "showcase the horrible activities of horrible people." Setting aside the absurdit…

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Post by hnfong »

justin66 wrote: post #143
firstSpeaker wrote: post #100

I hope in 10 years we could compare the state of the internet with today and see what else has slowly became the norm. It feels like we are moving toward a tech tyranny bit by bit. Every day we wake up and things are change a very little bit and we assume this is how it has always been or it is supposed to be. Note that I do not defend any ill action that anyone on KF has done. What I am trying to point out is how th…

It's ignorant or dishonest on your part to equate the Internet Archive with "big tech."

It's ignorant or dishonest on your part to disregard the broader context in which "big tech" are increasingly calling the shots.

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Post by polio »

vintermann wrote: post #164
polio wrote: post #95

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Deplatforming is analogous to quarantining a person with an infectious disease. It works. The FBI can still monitor whatever's left of KF on Tor or Discord.

If you think of beliefs as infectious diseases, you're not respecting the autonomy of other people. If I need to be prevented from knowing what the monsters say in order to avoid turning into a monster myself, then I promise you, we've lost. The monsters are going to eat us all.

The existence of marketing disproves the autonomy of people. Ideas spread through exposure and rhetoric.

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Post by marginalia_nu »

vintermann wrote: post #258
marginalia_nu wrote: post #165

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As an aside, I've noticed a common and extremely effective strategy frequently used by the alt right and other fringe ideological groups (not just in American politics but also in Europe and basically everywhere) is to first stir up a big stinky controversy, wait for the predictable social media overreaction, and then to just withdraw and completely refuse to engage, making their critics look like a bunch of lunatics…

I can't see this "withdraw and completely refuse to engage" thing. They're not organized enough to employ any kind of Sun Tzu thing. The "strategy" is chosen by default because they aren't allowed to engage, in most places. Even if you try to just report what they are saying, not even endorsing it, you get removed in most places.

May very well just be selection. The strategy is prevalent because it works, not through the machinations of some machivellian mastermind but because other strategies don't work.

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Post by jbuhbjlnjbn »

HereIGoAgain wrote: post #251
dragonwriter wrote: post #220

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> the rules of the site explicitly forbid harassing or interacting so that's going to be quite a claim Not really; showing that rules like that are conscious fig leaves and actually indicators of knowledge and intent is... not at all uncommon. Lots of sites taken down by law enforcement for deliberate facilitation of prostitution or human trafficking had “don’t use this platform for prostitution/trafficking” rules, t…

Not really. Those rules are and have been enforced quite strictly. In order to show intent you're going to have to do a lot better than just saying they posted it so it's their fault. And again, we are mostly talking about public info that the person themselves has openly posted online. That's not private information no matter how you look at it.

On the one hand, we have freely shared information. On the other hand, meta information obtained by digital stalking (or, in some cases, literal stalking). The later is absolutely not ok.

I agree regarding the freely available information (which often involved self-made drama). There is nothing bad about archiving it per se. With one interjection: some of this information is decades-old. While the right to forget does not exist on the internet, if people reflected on things, admitted they made mistakes and changed their perspective, it should be possible for any sensible webmaster/reader, to allow some kind of redemption.

This was exactly the case with byuu - he realized past mistakes, openly admitted and wanted a somewhat fresh start. But KW's webmaster did not allow it. At this point I percieved KF as openly cruel and kind of showing their true colors.

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Post by richbell »

jbuhbjlnjbn wrote: post #267
HereIGoAgain wrote: post #251

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not really. Those rules are and have been enforced quite strictly. In order to show intent you're going to have to do a lot better than just saying they posted it so it's their fault. And again, we are mostly talking about public info that the person themselves has openly posted online. That's not private information no matter how you look at it.

On the one hand, we have freely shared information. On the other hand, meta information obtained by digital stalking (or, in some cases, literal stalking). The later is absolutely not ok. I agree regarding the freely available information (which often involved self-made drama). There is nothing bad about archiving it per se. With one interjection: some of this information is decades-old. While the right to forget doe…

> But KW's webmaster did not allow it.

From what I've seen it wasn't as straightforward as that. The operator, Null, shared the email exchange and there seems to have been less than 24 hours between Byuu's first message and his last.

Null's last message was this, after which he went to bed (apparently, idk the timezones involved in this). It doesn't seem like a "no".

> I feel like you're being genuine. There's a fear here that you're just trying to prank me to show people "look, Josh just wants money", but it's one of the small subsets of concerns at play here. > > So hear me out: Send me your resume, I'll make you a counter offer.

https://archive.ph/R1oRN

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Post by UpstandingUser »

pclmulqdq wrote: post #147
UpstandingUser wrote: post #3

Can somebody explain the back story? What is Kiwi Farms?

Short version: Website that tracks the salacious details of internet celebrities' lives appears to have crossed a celebrity who is very interested in having that information erased from the public. --- Long version: Kiwifarms is a site dedicated to discussing the affairs of famous people. Often, this goes as far as public records searches and weird internet sleuthing to find addresses and other such information that…

This...was very informative. Thanks.
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