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Re: Kiwi Farms has been removed from the Internet Archive

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Post by HereIGoAgain »

dragonwriter wrote: post #220
HereIGoAgain wrote: post #210

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There are exceptions but the point still mostly stands. Secondly, "with intent" the rules of the site explicitly forbid harassing or interacting so that's going to be quite a claim, even in those rare exceptions, to make let alone prove. Plus, a lot of what we are talking about isn't likely to qualify anyway since most of it is simply posting publicly available information, usually from the person themselves and stil…

> the rules of the site explicitly forbid harassing or interacting so that's going to be quite a claim Not really; showing that rules like that are conscious fig leaves and actually indicators of knowledge and intent is... not at all uncommon. Lots of sites taken down by law enforcement for deliberate facilitation of prostitution or human trafficking had “don’t use this platform for prostitution/trafficking” rules, t…

Not really. Those rules are and have been enforced quite strictly. In order to show intent you're going to have to do a lot better than just saying they posted it so it's their fault. And again, we are mostly talking about public info that the person themselves has openly posted online. That's not private information no matter how you look at it.

Re: Kiwi Farms has been removed from the Internet Archive

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a_shovel wrote: post #228
hnburnsy wrote: post #49

Well I guess there is now limited ways for someone to evaluate for themselves on whether KF was posting horrific content without significant moderation. Guess we at least have Taylor Lorenz to tell us exactly what is going on here in a full and unbiased way. Someone here at HN at least posted this link which told more of the story than I have seen anywhere else. Also search the HN archives (for now at least it seems)…

From the article: > "Short version: [Kiwi Farms is] A very edgy forum ... where users cruelly gossip and post public information on niche online oddities (lolcows) that thrive on the attention KF gives them. " [Emphasis mine.] This piece of egregious victim-blaming should have been your cue to ignore this article. If it wasn't, the victim-blaming in the rest of the article (such as "She probably genuinely enjoys it.…

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Re: Kiwi Farms has been removed from the Internet Archive

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Post by Rackedup »

Rackedup wrote: post #199

What else have they deleted? Anyone keeping track?

Apparently, they also banned https://twitter.com/TaylorLorenz (someone commented about it before but somehow the comment was deleted....) https://web.archive.org/web/20220000000000*/https://twitter....

Re: Kiwi Farms has been removed from the Internet Archive

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Post by vintermann »

mmastrac wrote: post #231
vintermann wrote: post #164

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If you think of beliefs as infectious diseases, you're not respecting the autonomy of other people. If I need to be prevented from knowing what the monsters say in order to avoid turning into a monster myself, then I promise you, we've lost. The monsters are going to eat us all.

You've got plenty of autonomy left to visit them in whatever darkweb hellhole they decide to exist in and learn what the monsters are saying. We don't need to allow places in the public square for these people. Tolerance for ideas is not a suicide pact.

Yes, I can probably for myself still find out what they are saying. But this is about KF being removed from an archive site. Making it harder to prove what they are saying, and easier to lie about what they are saying. Who benefits from that?

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Post by ThrowawayTestr »

andywood wrote: post #227
shitlord wrote: post #203

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Fun fact: Taylor Lorenz's Twitter account is also excluded from the internet archive.

Another fun fact: Taylor's uncle is Roger Macdonald, apparently a fairly prominent operator within the internet archive: https://archive.org/details/roger-macdonald-tv-archive https://dicktracyonline.substack.com/p/who-is-taylor-lorenz

That makes more sense.

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Post by ThrowawayTestr »

badRNG wrote: post #85
hnburnsy wrote: post #49

Well I guess there is now limited ways for someone to evaluate for themselves on whether KF was posting horrific content without significant moderation. Guess we at least have Taylor Lorenz to tell us exactly what is going on here in a full and unbiased way. Someone here at HN at least posted this link which told more of the story than I have seen anywhere else. Also search the HN archives (for now at least it seems)…

It feels deeply disingenuous to claim that all KF is doing is "cataloging someone's online life" while refusing to talk about constant SWAT-ing, the cheering of their victims committing suicide, and the constant IRL harassment they organize against their victims. After Byuu, the emulator dev of bsnes, higan and more was harassed into suicide [1], harassment almost exclusively organized on KF, I've lost patience for w…

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Re: Kiwi Farms has been removed from the Internet Archive

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Post by HereIGoAgain »

jjulius wrote: post #216
HereIGoAgain wrote: post #211

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Well that kind of is important if you want to force it offline legally!

It's perfectly legal for one to opt not to host something, or provide DDoS protection for it, for any reason they choose.

This is what is so scary about the hysterical fictional narrative misinforming so many. people generally don't have the first clue about the stakes and what really happened.

They weren't being hosted by CF, they were getting protection against illegal DDoS attacks. CF DDoS protection is an infrastructure service. Infrastructure level services picking and choosing who is allowed and not allowed, is a very dangerous thing. Such action quickly risk unraveling the entire net.

Re: Kiwi Farms has been removed from the Internet Archive

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Post by vintermann »

marginalia_nu wrote: post #165
vintermann wrote: post #134

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It's silly. If Kiwifarms benefits from and wanted this, try telling it to those people on Twitter, or to admins and moderators on Reddit, where even talking about Kiwifarms could get you banned, much less linking to it. If you try to convince them, likely you would get an unbelievable amount of negative online attention sent your way. Ironically the same thing they hate Kiwifarms for.

As an aside, I've noticed a common and extremely effective strategy frequently used by the alt right and other fringe ideological groups (not just in American politics but also in Europe and basically everywhere) is to first stir up a big stinky controversy, wait for the predictable social media overreaction, and then to just withdraw and completely refuse to engage, making their critics look like a bunch of lunatics…

I can't see this "withdraw and completely refuse to engage" thing. They're not organized enough to employ any kind of Sun Tzu thing. The "strategy" is chosen by default because they aren't allowed to engage, in most places. Even if you try to just report what they are saying, not even endorsing it, you get removed in most places.

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Post by parkingrift »

badRNG wrote: post #107
parkingrift wrote: post #98

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The problem is you’re not solving anything with these antics. KF still exists and will continue to exist. It’s just book burning for the sake of feeling better with absolutely nothing to show for it. In this case not even the satisfaction of seeing a burned book. People desperately want the world to be different, and it isn’t. It isn’t, and it won’t change massively within your singular life. So you can grandstand an…

The idea that we must provide a platform for people to actively organize harassment campaigns designed to kill people in order to avoid "tyranny" is beyond absurd.

You’re missing the point I was trying to make. What you’re trying to achieve is literally impossible without tyranny. You will not ever eject KF from the internet as we know it today. You will not ever succeed in this goal.

But what you may ultimately accomplish is ushering in tyranny and government regulation of the internet in the name of censoring objectionable content.

Re: Kiwi Farms has been removed from the Internet Archive

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Post by badRNG »

ThrowawayTestr wrote: post #256
badRNG wrote: post #85

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It feels deeply disingenuous to claim that all KF is doing is "cataloging someone's online life" while refusing to talk about constant SWAT-ing, the cheering of their victims committing suicide, and the constant IRL harassment they organize against their victims. After Byuu, the emulator dev of bsnes, higan and more was harassed into suicide [1], harassment almost exclusively organized on KF, I've lost patience for w…

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Not only is there a suicide note, but their employer confirmed their passing. This defense is one that is parroted almost exclusively by the KF users responsible for Near's death to deflect blame. The burden of proof is on you to demonstrate that there is some conspiracy afoot to fake a suicide.

You mentioned that all Kiwi Farms does is "showcase the horrible activities of horrible people." Setting aside the absurdity of this statement, does this apply to Near in your opinion?

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