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This has never happened to me. It's likely you have a defective unit, take it in.

Apple won't replace or fix for this, it's something many many many Airpods Pro owners have complained about (including myself).

Mine got replaced in the store. Online support wasn't as helpful.

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Not just older folks. As a dev and tech enthusiast, even if I dig into technical bits of many things, at the end of the day I want something that works, battle-tested, and reliable. (okay a few failures in past years like keyboard failures, but still better than competition) Apple just gives me that.

My only huge issue with Apple is that they create this 'them and us' mentality. I can't share a raw iPhone video with non mac users, because of the proprietary format. If Apple really wants to create a universal computer, it should work at creating the interfaces with the rest of us. It should not be a walled garden. Removing this boundary would make me love Apple.

Yeah, I agree, Apple has a reputation of doing things "its own way" which is sometimes frustrating for sure.

BTW for that specific use case AFAIK iPhone uses H.265 and H.264 (and ProRes but I don't think you're mentioning that when saying "raw", rather meaning straight out of device) videos inside a MOV container, which are both widely available (with H.265 having some license fees but available virtually on every device).

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"Upgrading" to my Sony's was painful. Beforehand I had some cheap Chinese brand that had the best bluetooth experience of my life. I could switch devices and the one I was using could connect up easy without having to do the whole disconnect from the other device first thing. I suspect on connect it was also issuing a disconnect to the previous sender as well because I never had an issue of a device reconnecting over…

Diminishing returns are very real when it comes to BT headphones. The cutoff seems to be around 100 USD/EUR. If you care about sound quality, you are probably using AUX still. An alternative is the Fiio bluetooth/aux adapter that solves the bluetooth part but still has an acceptable sound quality.

The ones I had were around 60usd and had good enough sound for me. The only problem I had with them was the headband was built for small heads. Broke in the same spot twice. After second I just took the refund and got some Sony's.

Sound is pretty nice upgrade though even for someone like me that can't tell. Noise cancelling helps a lot over COVID too.

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Not even older folks. The technologically exhausted, too. I write code for a living and hack on hardware as a hobby. When I go on a walk or just want to chill out, I absolutely love when this kind of stuff just works. I will (and do) pay a massive premium for that. Major respect to the developers, it's obviously a feat. The haters can go recompile gentoo :)

Haters will continue to push the overton window back towards freedom. Your welcome.

It is appreciated, but we all have to choose our battles.

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It's also possible that their Bluetooth stack for the AirPods is likely sharing a lot of code with their battle-tested iOS stack which puts even Android's to shame (I worked at both places and even Googler's acknowledged Android has some serious problems and Apple kicked there ass here). A sibling noted the H1 chip and whatnot. I don't know how much the specific chip matters for that piece (certainly key for battery…

There is a widespread belief in a simple explanation among Googlers: device makers test against iPhone. Whenever Apple strays off spec, they'll choose to be compatible with Apple's implementation rather than the standard. TBF, can't blame them. Apple has pretty much a single stack. Android is about as fragmented as the PC world.

That wasn't a common belief AFAIK among people I talked with that actually knew what they were talking about. They readily admitted the Android stack sucked balls. There are 3 generations of Bluetooth stack that I recall. The first was Bluez-based but offloaded a lot to the vendor as I recall. That didn't work well. The second one Broadcom open-sourced their BlueDroid stack and donated it to Android in 2012. The third is Google finally taking control of it and I hope they had success with it (my info is a bit dated on that front).

Google has had a single Bluetooth stack for quite a while although variable quality vendor implementation. IIRC BlueDroid took over more of the stack than Bluez did so we're talking about 10 years here where Android has had a single monolithic stack.

The main explanation I've heard is that Apple has much fewer Bluetooth chips to support but I don't know that explains it because there's generally not that many chips in the market that all phones choose from (granted Apple is now in-house but still, they didn't use to be).

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> It's a limitation of Bluetooth's available bandwidth, especially with bidirectional audio. I've often read this is the problem, but I don't buy it. BTLE is up to 1 megabit. A high-quality audio stream is typically up to 320 kbps compressed. Voice can be compressed as low as 64 kbps and still sound as if the person is standing right next to you. That's still less than 400 kbps, well under the 1 mbps BTLE supports. S…

It's explained in the section on SCO at the link in my original comment: > Bluetooth supports data rates of up to 3 MB/s and fully uncompressed stereo audio only needs about 1.4 MB/s. But, the 3 MB/s data rate is for an Asynchronous Connection Less (ACL) transfers under ideal circumstances. In practice, even 990 kb/s (what Sony’s LDAC codec uses) is not trivial to transmit reliably. But the Hands Free Profile doesn’t…

You make good points. There are certainly gaps in my knowledge of Bluetooth.

> But the Hands Free Profile doesn’t even use ACL, but Synchronous Connection Oriented (SCO) transfers. These have a fixed data rate of 64 kbit/s (bidirectional).

Why are we limited to HFP? Does the Bluetooth spec not allow forming two A2DP connections to establish bi-directional audio?

I apologize if your link answers these questions, but it's currently throwing a 504 Gateway Timeout.

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The WF-1000MX4s are absolutely PERFECT with the sole exception of the non-tactile controls. If they replaced the touch sensors with actual buttons, they would be the best earbuds on the market.

I have a pair, but haven't used too many gestures, since it seems somewhat limited. I was very surprised that you cant even accept/reject a call with a gesture. Just curious, why would you get buttons instead of sensors?

> Just curious, why would you get buttons instead of sensors?

Two things:

1. Long hair. If your hair is in the way, you have to brush it away before the sensors will correctly register your input.

2. Beanies. If you wear an acrylic beanie (due to the aforementioned long hair), there is enough capacitance detected in contact with the material to generate spurious, and unwanted, inputs.

Tactile buttons would solve both of these issues.

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The unsung part of this is that Bluetooth is a ridiculously complicated protocol. Basically everyone has a broken implementation of it. If someone asked me to choose whether to write either a C++ compiler or a bluetooth stack, I would probably choose the C++ compiler. There are very few people who are both passionate about the problem of wireless devices and who understand all of the stack enough to make a driver tha…

> which is why their airpods only work with their devices. I thought I heard Airpods were the best Bluetooth headset on Android, too

My Airpods work great with my Windows laptop.

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Millions of tons is hyperbole, but my point remains. As convenient as they are, devices like them aren’t good for the world. They might be a rounding error, but I’m going to call out rampant consumerism and environmental issues where I see them.

I don’t think we should discuss throwing away two AA batteries worth of ewaste every 2 years. Do you consume meat or dairy?

> Do you consume meat or dairy?

No I don't, so that gotcha won't work ;)

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Apple's key to success is that they're the best hardware company at doing software.

Which company is the best software company? I used to have an answer, but don’t anymore.

I'm going to say Microsoft. For all the faults, they produce good software consistently across a very wide range of domains.
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