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Post by Miraste »

smileybarry wrote: post #197
Miraste wrote: post #170

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The Windows Bluetooth stack is terrible. Ludicrously bad. Last time I looked, it had four times the latency of iOS with the exact same headphones.

It’s complicated, but basically, when audio is playing (I.e. new audio session) that’s when the BT headphones wake up. So you can get horrible initial delay (and missed audio in some configurations), unless you just broadcast a null signal to keep the connection alive. I’m assuming that’s why all the popular USB “Bluetooth audio with aptX” all identify as an audio device and handle pairing etc. on their own. (Despite…

I've run into that before too, but I'm talking about the latency when an audio session is already running. There's a latency test in this review of the headphones I have: https://www.rtings.com/headphones/reviews/sony/wh-1000xm4-wi... It's actually worse than I remembered. The iOS latency is 38ms and the Windows latency is 5.5x longer at 212ms. It's bad enough that watching videos is very annoying because the sound is visibly out of sync, and if you look through the other rtings reviews, this is about average for Windows Bluetooth.

Re: AirPods Pro (2nd Generation)

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Post by gw99 »

visarga wrote: post #421
s3r3nity wrote: post #179

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I think you're 85-90% right - but I wouldn't undersell the impact of Apple's proprietary W1 / H1 / H2 chips in their headphones either.

Oh, so they make their own chips, they make both AirPods and MacBook, the OS, but then why do they fail to connect 20% of the time? I think the product should be capable of making sound 99.9%, not 80% of the time. AirPods might be the king of BT devices but it's a beggar in the house of wired.

I have to argue with mine once a day at least but that’s better than every fucking time I want to do anything with every other device I’ve owned.

Also, I have no wires now other than a couple of chargers. It is freedom. Never do I have to untangle some EarPods from my keys five times a day.

Re: AirPods Pro (2nd Generation)

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Post by randallsquared »

bschwindHN wrote: post #447
Negitivefrags wrote: post #146

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This issue is very bad, and I've had it on all 3 of the sets of AirPods pros I have owned. Another issue I have had on all three is that the noise cancelling degrades over time. When you get a new set, it's kind of night and day how good they are at first. After about 6 months I would say that they noticably suck compared to how they are when you first get them, and they just continue to degrade over time. My guess i…

> My guess is just wax and gunk getting to the external microphone mesh over time, but there is no way to deal with it I haven't tried this myself but someone on reddit mentioned you can use blu tack (sp?) - press it on the external mics, then pull off to clean it. I imagine it works but as I said, haven't tried it personally.

I have tried it (and done this more than once) -- it does work, but it's not quite that easy. You have to fashion the tack into various shapes to get into the crevices, and it has taken the better part of an hour to be satisfied with the result each time. Still worth it.

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Post by lenkite »

hardwaregeek wrote: post #26

It's wild how much money Apple has made from Bluetooth headphones that don't suck. That's literally it. They're portable, pair easily and (somewhat) work with multiple devices. I have top of the line Bose Bluetooth headphones that still, in 2022, have issues with multiple devices. I can't count how many times I've started playing music on my iPhone only to realize that the headphones think my laptop is playing, so th…

They just don't fit and stay inside a significant minority of people's ears when they are moving - including mine - necessitating the need of third party Ear Hooks - which I have to keep taking out and putting on while charging. Which is a pain.

I went back to Bose.

I will give apple full marks for stupendous glitz and marketing though. Any other company would have been slaughtered in the feedback. The reality distortion field has been well-inherited by the company.

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Post by ricardobayes »

dbxkcichhdfufu wrote: post #369
msbarnett wrote: post #327

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I’ve got the extremely well regarded Sony WH-1000XM4s. Getting them to switch between devices is an absolute pain in the ass compared to Apple’s fairly seamless handoff. The custom Bluetooth processor seems to be letting Apple solve a lot of pain points that every other Bluetooth headphone just makes you live with.

"Upgrading" to my Sony's was painful. Beforehand I had some cheap Chinese brand that had the best bluetooth experience of my life. I could switch devices and the one I was using could connect up easy without having to do the whole disconnect from the other device first thing. I suspect on connect it was also issuing a disconnect to the previous sender as well because I never had an issue of a device reconnecting over…

Diminishing returns are very real when it comes to BT headphones. The cutoff seems to be around 100 USD/EUR. If you care about sound quality, you are probably using AUX still. An alternative is the Fiio bluetooth/aux adapter that solves the bluetooth part but still has an acceptable sound quality.

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Post by user3113 »

I was very hopefully about airpods when I bought mine 1 month ago. They pair nicely with my apple devices but right airpod has hissing static sound coming out of it. When I contact with apple support about this they took my airpods and ran their stupid diagnostics test. Since diagnostics test doesn't show anyhthing they are not bothered to look further. However, here comes the quesiton what if diagnostics tests doesn't cover enough to detect problem I am having? I am bit bothered becuase its very easy to prove my point you just pop right one in and you can hear annoying static sound

Re: AirPods Pro (2nd Generation)

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Post by mcintyre1994 »

lenkite wrote: post #465
hardwaregeek wrote: post #26

It's wild how much money Apple has made from Bluetooth headphones that don't suck. That's literally it. They're portable, pair easily and (somewhat) work with multiple devices. I have top of the line Bose Bluetooth headphones that still, in 2022, have issues with multiple devices. I can't count how many times I've started playing music on my iPhone only to realize that the headphones think my laptop is playing, so th…

They just don't fit and stay inside a significant minority of people's ears when they are moving - including mine - necessitating the need of third party Ear Hooks - which I have to keep taking out and putting on while charging. Which is a pain. I went back to Bose. I will give apple full marks for stupendous glitz and marketing though. Any other company would have been slaughtered in the feedback. The reality distor…

I'm hoping Apple will keep making Beats Powerbeats Pro and keep them kinda up to date. I don't really want to buy headphones without ear hooks to find out whether they fall out when I run.

Re: AirPods Pro (2nd Generation)

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Post by ricardobayes »

can16358p wrote: post #443
aqme28 wrote: post #232

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This is Apple’s strength in general. Much easier for older folks to use.

Not just older folks. As a dev and tech enthusiast, even if I dig into technical bits of many things, at the end of the day I want something that works, battle-tested, and reliable. (okay a few failures in past years like keyboard failures, but still better than competition) Apple just gives me that.

My only huge issue with Apple is that they create this 'them and us' mentality. I can't share a raw iPhone video with non mac users, because of the proprietary format. If Apple really wants to create a universal computer, it should work at creating the interfaces with the rest of us. It should not be a walled garden. Removing this boundary would make me love Apple.
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