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Who controls the Internet? And should they? (2021)

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Re: Who controls the Internet? And should they? (2021)

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Post by Semaphor »

squigg wrote: post #13
robertlagrant wrote: post #3

I'm in the UK and I don't recognise what's being said there about a child safe internet you can opt out of.

Exactly - there is no default blocking of adult material in the UK, it's scaremongering based on proposed legislation that will probably never make it to the statute books. Some ISPs and telcos have implemented their own systems to protect children, which is a policy matter for them and them alone. There are plenty of ISPs who give you a raw unfiltered Internet. As a result of this inaccuracy, it weakens the rest of…

So the wikipedia article [0] is wrong? It says the big 4 (TalkTalk, Sky, BT and Virgin) all implemented it. Or do you say that because some tiny ISPs don’t that it’s scaremongering?

[0]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Web_blocking_in_the_United_Kin...

Re: Who controls the Internet? And should they? (2021)

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Post by Ygg2 »

seydor wrote: post #22
Ygg2 wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Where is it written that private internets are perfectly normal when a corporation does it, but evil when a country does too? The impact is different*, scale is different, and countries doing it have track record of using it to hide their misdeeds. *It's generally ok if you build a wall around your property. Not so much if a country does it.

> countries doing it have track record of using it to hide their misdeeds. And companies don't? Internet companies are media, so their function is not neutral to the existence and function of states. Constitutions all around the world have specific "free press" provisions because the press is not "just another private business" but it has very real consequences for the existence of states. So do tech companies today,…

By state misdeeds I mean labor camp, concentration centers and war crimes, etc.

Very few private companies in history could have enough power to be able to commit crimes against humanity.

Re: Who controls the Internet? And should they? (2021)

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Post by guestbest »

gumby wrote: post #32
CydeWeys wrote: post #30

Ctrl-F ICANN ... 0 results?! For as long as this blog post is, it doesn't seem very comprehensive.

That’s not what the essay or talk is about. It’s about state censorship amd comtrol.

Comtrol seems so good it should not have been a typo. Dot com is still the premiere domain suffix despite all trends otherwise

Re: Who controls the Internet? And should they? (2021)

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Post by PoignardAzur »

jart wrote: post #17

I like Bert Hubert's writing because he always comes across as someone who's unbiased and genuinely cares. One thing I'm surprised he didn't mention is how large corporations operate their own private internets in basically the same way as countries like China and North Korea. Why wouldn't they? It's how the ARPAnet used to work. They only let scientists, engineers, and university students use the thing. I'm sure it…

> Where is it written that private internets are perfectly normal when a corporation does it, but evil when a country does too?

Well for one thing, when you come back from work at your corporation, you can go on the regular internet. Country-wide blocks don't allow that by design.

Re: Who controls the Internet? And should they? (2021)

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Post by whatshisface »

jart wrote: post #17

I like Bert Hubert's writing because he always comes across as someone who's unbiased and genuinely cares. One thing I'm surprised he didn't mention is how large corporations operate their own private internets in basically the same way as countries like China and North Korea. Why wouldn't they? It's how the ARPAnet used to work. They only let scientists, engineers, and university students use the thing. I'm sure it…

>Where is it written that private internets are perfectly normal when a corporation does it, but evil when a country does too?

Because everyone goes home from work but only very fortunate people go home from China.

Re: Who controls the Internet? And should they? (2021)

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Post by etchalon »

hulitu wrote: post #26
fallingknife wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Freedom of the press doesn't mean freedom for a specific type of private business. It means anybody with a printing press. In other words anybody is allowed to publish and distribute whatever they want.

Can you name a place where this is possible ?

Today, in the US.

Re: Who controls the Internet? And should they? (2021)

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Post by staringback »

hulitu wrote: post #26
fallingknife wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Freedom of the press doesn't mean freedom for a specific type of private business. It means anybody with a printing press. In other words anybody is allowed to publish and distribute whatever they want.

Can you name a place where this is possible ?

The Tor network.
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