When your only innovation is a cut out hole and always on display, both of which have been on other phones for years, your only play is the color in which the messages appear.
Tim Cook says ‘buy your mom an iPhone’ if you want to end green bubbles
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#22How big of a problem is this in the states? In Europe, nobody I know, and I really mean I don’t know one single person that uses SMS or SMS-like apps like iMessage. If I open my messages app, I only have there my 2FA messages. It’s either WhatsApp or Signal
Or Messenger. Strangely, Messenger is more popular than WhatsApp in Europe. Got the context though
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#23How big of a problem is this in the states? In Europe, nobody I know, and I really mean I don’t know one single person that uses SMS or SMS-like apps like iMessage. If I open my messages app, I only have there my 2FA messages. It’s either WhatsApp or Signal
There are regions in Central Europe where cellular data is not available.
Your argument is very weird.
Most of the time, if you are in location without cellular data, it is that you don't even have a good cellular coverage.
In that case, especially, people are used to always use wifi and so use WhatsApp, signal, telegram, Facebook, instead of unreliable sms.
Also, if the goal is to have rich communication, like sending video and photo. If your network provider does not cover you for cellular data, I don't see how, the same content will go through anyway as it needs data...
The only difference of RCS compared to messaging service is that you use your phone number and the service is provided by your mobile telecom provider, but otherwise it is technically similar.
One last point is that, here, in Europe, people does not trust phone number as being a permanent reliable identification. Not so long ago people had to change numbers regularly when changing of provider or of offer.
Re: Tim Cook says ‘buy your mom an iPhone’ if you want to end green bubbles
#24How big of a problem is this in the states? In Europe, nobody I know, and I really mean I don’t know one single person that uses SMS or SMS-like apps like iMessage. If I open my messages app, I only have there my 2FA messages. It’s either WhatsApp or Signal
That is not true at all. Even close, why does someone always spew this stuff here? There's billions of SMS messages delivered every day in Europe - from businesses to people who don't have Facebooks WhatsApp/Messenger preinstalled. Why is it so hard to understand that your little life bubble isn't the whole world?
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That is not true at all. Even close, why does someone always spew this stuff here? There's billions of SMS messages delivered every day in Europe - from businesses to people who don't have Facebooks WhatsApp/Messenger preinstalled. Why is it so hard to understand that your little life bubble isn't the whole world?
I've lived many places in Europe and I'd say it's accurate. It's not that text messages aren't sent, it's just that they are only ever a fallback for when primary communication channels are not available. Pretty much everyone's SMSes are just MFA codes, "your pizza is ready", "your package is delivered", and so on. Almost nobody that talks to each other regularly uses SMS.
> Almost nobody that talks to each other regularly uses SMS.
OP claims no one uses SMS at, and your reply was "I agree, no one uses SMS except for all these reasons they message all the time".
Also, it makes no sense to claim that no one uses SMS just because some people also use another means of communication like WhatsApp or email. It would make as much sense as claiming no one uses WhatsApp because they spend more time on Instagram or Twitter.
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Again, that is nowhere near true and it's easy to verify. And we didn't even get to the point that the communications platform used instead of an open standard is owned by a single corporation - Facebook.
Really? I'm yet another European who only ever gets SMS from my elderly mother, for 2FA (usually only when dealing with American companies), parcel deliveries, and so on. Oh, and spam and frauds, that's like 75% of the messages I get.
> I'm yet another European who only ever gets SMS from my elderly mother, for 2FA (usually only when dealing with American companies), parcel deliveries, and so on.
I'm yet another European and even though apps like WhatsApp and Signal are very popular, SMS is still used very often.
Apps like WhatsApp do have an advantage like better UX, group chat, better allowlists, online presence status indicators, multimedia support, and multi-platform support.
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Again, that is nowhere near true and it's easy to verify. And we didn't even get to the point that the communications platform used instead of an open standard is owned by a single corporation - Facebook.
Can you show such verification? I'm from Argentina and here absolutely nobody uses SMS. As parent said, it's only used for 2FA, delivery notifications, etc (although some companies here do 2FA with whatsapp too).
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#28Earlier quoted context omitted.
I've lived many places in Europe and I'd say it's accurate. It's not that text messages aren't sent, it's just that they are only ever a fallback for when primary communication channels are not available. Pretty much everyone's SMSes are just MFA codes, "your pizza is ready", "your package is delivered", and so on. Almost nobody that talks to each other regularly uses SMS.
Again, that is nowhere near true and it's easy to verify. And we didn't even get to the point that the communications platform used instead of an open standard is owned by a single corporation - Facebook.
I am also very interested in data to support your claim. I offered my anecdotical experience and you're saying (quite aggressively) that that is objectively not true.
Can you please provide a comparison between the # of messages sent as SMS and messages sent through Whatsapp and other services?
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#29How big of a problem is this in the states? In Europe, nobody I know, and I really mean I don’t know one single person that uses SMS or SMS-like apps like iMessage. If I open my messages app, I only have there my 2FA messages. It’s either WhatsApp or Signal
That is not true at all. Even close, why does someone always spew this stuff here? There's billions of SMS messages delivered every day in Europe - from businesses to people who don't have Facebooks WhatsApp/Messenger preinstalled. Why is it so hard to understand that your little life bubble isn't the whole world?
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person to person sms is pretty close to zero here as well
Re: Tim Cook says ‘buy your mom an iPhone’ if you want to end green bubbles
#30How big of a problem is this in the states? In Europe, nobody I know, and I really mean I don’t know one single person that uses SMS or SMS-like apps like iMessage. If I open my messages app, I only have there my 2FA messages. It’s either WhatsApp or Signal
Or Messenger. Strangely, Messenger is more popular than WhatsApp in Europe. Got the context though
> Or Messenger. Strangely, Messenger is more popular than WhatsApp in Europe. Got the context though
I lived in Europe all my life and never heard of Messenger.
WhatsApp is pervasive. We get the WhatsApp logo shoved in our faces even while casually watching tv. Even TV programs and state institutions have WhatsApp contacts.