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“UBO Minus (MV3)” – An Experimental uBlock Origin Build for Manifest V3

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Re: “UBO Minus (MV3)” – An Experimental uBlock Origin Build for Manifest V3

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Post by dilap »

jbverschoor wrote: post #133
dilap wrote: post #101

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Huh, yeah, turning on "Reduce motion" does indeed disable bounce scroll in Firefox. Definitely a strange choice on their part! (It doesn't affect it in other apps.) > I changed my system settings, as I don’t like the default speed and acceleration I see, that could make sense, if Safari was honoring those changes and Firefox wasn't, in some way. I've got mostly stock settings (slightly bumped up speed and three-finge…

It's not a choice.. It's just people trying re-implement "native" behavior. Doesn't work. Just use native components. Firefox never felt native. Typography is different from my system settings, window color is different, mouse behavior different, scrolling behavior is different, spacebar to scroll jumps, zoom is weird.. actual size is 125%. So I always have to zoom out a few times to get to 100%, and it doesn't remem…

It's gotta be a choice, right?, since they're enabling or disabling the bounce scroll based on the pref. If it was just system-agnostic the pref wouldn't make a difference.

My understanding is all of the browsers contain a lot of custom widgets. Like, Safari is not drawing text using NSTextView or whatever.

Looking at Firefox and Safari side-by-side they look pretttty similar to me. Some very slight text rendering differences, and Firefox is maybe a touch less smooth to scroll than Safari. The bounce-scroll is a little bit more stiff.

I recorded a video if you want to see what I'm seeing:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-lkAy0O5EDs

There are so many different widget implementations out there now, maybe I'm just losing my sense of what "native" is. But the scroll physics feel right to me, the text looks right, the text selection and input and shortcuts all work...native enough for me!

Re: “UBO Minus (MV3)” – An Experimental uBlock Origin Build for Manifest V3

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Post by taneq »

jorvi wrote: post #123
uneekname wrote: post #75

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IMO Firefox on an Android is better than anything you can get on iOS. It fully supports uBlock Origin! I also use a Pixel phone, though I use LineageOS so I feel less tied to Google

To be clear: it is a willful choice by Mozilla to fully protect Android users but to leave iOS users in the turmoil of a constant stream of invasive and malicious ads. I specifically took my parents off of Firefox for this express reason. Brave has a built-in adblocker, as do many other iOS browsers. And it is not like Mozilla isn’t aware, I believe there are 2-3 open issues on Bugzilla, years old, that have just bee…

What? Install Firefox Focus on iOS. Use it directly, or select it as a content blocking provider for Safari to get ad blocking in Safari.

Re: “UBO Minus (MV3)” – An Experimental uBlock Origin Build for Manifest V3

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Post by npteljes »

horsawlarway wrote: post #23

I approve (of both the release and the name). I see plenty of folks in here lamenting this release at all - in the hopes that the lack of it will push folks to Firefox. It won't. Those who care about this are already on Firefox, and frankly - Firefox isn't going to be the answer here (to be clear, this is opinion). I'm also not thrilled at manifest v3, although for very different reasons than the adblocking limitatio…

> it will push folks to Firefox. It won't.

100%. Firefox murdered XUL extensions, a then-thriving ecosystem, and the mobile version's addon support is still very lacking, years later. If the moaning from this haven't stopped them, uBO's lack of mv3 version certainly won't.

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Post by agiacalone »

babypuncher wrote: post #137
uneekname wrote: post #75

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IMO Firefox on an Android is better than anything you can get on iOS. It fully supports uBlock Origin! I also use a Pixel phone, though I use LineageOS so I feel less tied to Google

I don't think their reasoning for switching to iOS was because of Chrome specifically, it was because of Google as a whole. There are browsers for iOS with really good ad and tracker blocking. I use Orion, whose blockers are based on uBlock.

iOS user here.

I forgo the on-device ad-blocking and use DNS blocking. It's a decent catch-all for most things I'm worried about.

NextDNS is one of the better hosted DNS blocklists, IMO

Re: “UBO Minus (MV3)” – An Experimental uBlock Origin Build for Manifest V3

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Post by taneq »

gitargy wrote: post #135
christophilus wrote: post #63

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I know it's Safari under the hood, but Brave on iOS is great. I do hope that Apple decides to / is forced to allow real 3rd party browsers at some point, though. I also hope that a decent Linux phone becomes a realistic alternative. I'll check back in 10 years to see if either of those materializes.

I'm told ungoogled android distros exist, and are decently usable.

LineageOS was good back when it first formed from CyanogenMod but then had a patch of issues with call quality and reliability which forced me off it. Hopefully that’s all long resolved, I would otherwise switch back but I reply to much on my phone for work.

Re: “UBO Minus (MV3)” – An Experimental uBlock Origin Build for Manifest V3

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Post by npteljes »

loxias wrote: post #81
bot41 wrote: post #77

What is "Manifest v3"?

I was wondering the same. I think it's a new standard for how Chrome extensions work? I hope it doesn't affect FF users, and uBlock Origin will continue to function same as it always has.

Why hope? If a market majority product does something, so does the rest of the market. Especially now that Firefox has like 3% market share.

Fresh info regarding mv3 & FF:

https://blog.mozilla.org/addons/2022/05/18/manifest-v3-in-fi...

Re: “UBO Minus (MV3)” – An Experimental uBlock Origin Build for Manifest V3

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Post by nightpool »

s-video wrote: post #97

No cosmetic filtering might still tip me over into switching to Firefox.

Which, as far as I can tell, is exactly what the removal was designed to do—nothing about MV3 impacts cosmetic filtering in any way, and it seems to have been removed by the developer purely out of a sense of stubborn pique.

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Post by anotherevan »

krono wrote: post #31

Tangent but let's stop referring to it as a mere ad blocker, it's a content blocker - it's even a very useful and impactful accessibility tool in that capacity. ADHD sucks and I have a lot to thank to these types of tools for acting as my "crutches" that allowed me get where I am today.

I often refer to it as an HTML firewall - a security necessity.

Re: “UBO Minus (MV3)” – An Experimental uBlock Origin Build for Manifest V3

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Post by fezfight »

ainar-g wrote: post #9
fezfight wrote: post #3

How many people use adblockers? Is there any chance manifest v3 will lead to enough users abandoning Googles Chrome to build a community around an open alternative, like we did when we abandoned IE for Firefox all those years ago?

> How many people use adblockers? About 43 %, according to [1]. > Is there any chance manifest v3 will lead to enough users abandoning Googles Chrome […] No. Google Chrome is pretty much in the same position as Internet Explorer used to be. It's the default browser in the most popular mobile OS and the first thing people install on their PC (or get it installed by someone else). Mozilla can barely play catch-up with…

Yeah that's good scare mongering but I dont buy it. I betcha most of that stuff is megacorporate bloat that can be extricated without hindering the average users experience.

Mozilla, unfortunately, is dead. Like Firefox did from Netscape before it during the dark times of the IE ubiquity, when people claimed what you claim now, a new browser that supports true freedom must rise from Firefox's ashes to begin the cycle once again.

43% is huge. Firefox had significantly less when it won hearts and minds.

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