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“UBO Minus (MV3)” – An Experimental uBlock Origin Build for Manifest V3

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Re: “UBO Minus (MV3)” – An Experimental uBlock Origin Build for Manifest V3

#31
Tangent but let's stop referring to it as a mere ad blocker, it's a content blocker - it's even a very useful and impactful accessibility tool in that capacity.

ADHD sucks and I have a lot to thank to these types of tools for acting as my "crutches" that allowed me get where I am today.

Re: “UBO Minus (MV3)” – An Experimental uBlock Origin Build for Manifest V3

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post #12

If you're still using Chrome now is the time to switch to Firefox. This is an interesting experiment but the only solution is to stop using Chrome.

You can also use Brave, which implements its own native adblocker and isn't impacted by Manifest v3.

Do you mean that particular adblocker is not impacted or is Brave going to maintain support for the APIs dropped by Manifest v3?

Re: “UBO Minus (MV3)” – An Experimental uBlock Origin Build for Manifest V3

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post #31

Tangent but let's stop referring to it as a mere ad blocker, it's a content blocker - it's even a very useful and impactful accessibility tool in that capacity. ADHD sucks and I have a lot to thank to these types of tools for acting as my "crutches" that allowed me get where I am today.

No.

Re: “UBO Minus (MV3)” – An Experimental uBlock Origin Build for Manifest V3

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How many people use adblockers? Is there any chance manifest v3 will lead to enough users abandoning Googles Chrome to build a community around an open alternative, like we did when we abandoned IE for Firefox all those years ago?

> How many people use adblockers? About 43 %, according to [1]. > Is there any chance manifest v3 will lead to enough users abandoning Googles Chrome […] No. Google Chrome is pretty much in the same position as Internet Explorer used to be. It's the default browser in the most popular mobile OS and the first thing people install on their PC (or get it installed by someone else). Mozilla can barely play catch-up with…

I'm using Firefox with moderately aggressive ad blocking and privacy settings. Almost everything works, and the few breakages that I encounter are usually due to the blocking/privacy settings (i.e. they'd happen the same on Chrome if I configured it similarly).

The only thing I actually have to start Chrome for is (ironically) Microsoft Teams.

Re: “UBO Minus (MV3)” – An Experimental uBlock Origin Build for Manifest V3

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How many people use adblockers? Is there any chance manifest v3 will lead to enough users abandoning Googles Chrome to build a community around an open alternative, like we did when we abandoned IE for Firefox all those years ago?

Adblockers are an existential threat to Google. If any appreciable percentage of the population started using a browser that allowed adblockers, Google (and Facebook, and Twitter, and Reddit, and...) would do everything within their power to block that browser from all the web properties they control (this is not an exaggeration: everything within their power , because the alternative is the death of their entire bus…

We've been living in a golden age for some time now. We browse the clean, crisp web for free and the ignorant "plebs" pay our way by living in an ad-riddled nightmare.

Re: “UBO Minus (MV3)” – An Experimental uBlock Origin Build for Manifest V3

#36

I approve (of both the release and the name). I see plenty of folks in here lamenting this release at all - in the hopes that the lack of it will push folks to Firefox. It won't. Those who care about this are already on Firefox, and frankly - Firefox isn't going to be the answer here (to be clear, this is opinion). I'm also not thrilled at manifest v3, although for very different reasons than the adblocking limitatio…

> I do lots of extension development

Off topic, but since you seem experienced at this, do you recommend any resources for extension development for someone that's beginning from scratch with no experience in this area?

Re: “UBO Minus (MV3)” – An Experimental uBlock Origin Build for Manifest V3

#37

If you're still using Chrome now is the time to switch to Firefox. This is an interesting experiment but the only solution is to stop using Chrome.

The moment I need to deicide between installing UBO Minus or making Firefox my default browser is the moment I make Firefox my default browser. Browsing the internet without a fully functioning uBlock Origin is a nightmare.

Re: “UBO Minus (MV3)” – An Experimental uBlock Origin Build for Manifest V3

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post #9
post #3

How many people use adblockers? Is there any chance manifest v3 will lead to enough users abandoning Googles Chrome to build a community around an open alternative, like we did when we abandoned IE for Firefox all those years ago?

> How many people use adblockers? About 43 %, according to [1]. > Is there any chance manifest v3 will lead to enough users abandoning Googles Chrome […] No. Google Chrome is pretty much in the same position as Internet Explorer used to be. It's the default browser in the most popular mobile OS and the first thing people install on their PC (or get it installed by someone else). Mozilla can barely play catch-up with…

> Mozilla can barely play catch-up with all the complex web standards pushed by Goog&co.

To be fair they also spend a lot of resources on dreaming up their own shit tier solutions. Like the time Google proposed federated learning of cohorts, which was universally shot down by critics. Mozilla saw that as a sign and jumped into bed with Meta to create their own version of it. Because who could think about user privacy without immediately thinking of Meta?

It is almost as if Mozillas leadership wants to prove that Mozilla is a waste of money.

Re: “UBO Minus (MV3)” – An Experimental uBlock Origin Build for Manifest V3

#39
post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You can also use Brave, which implements its own native adblocker and isn't impacted by Manifest v3.

Do you mean that particular adblocker is not impacted or is Brave going to maintain support for the APIs dropped by Manifest v3?

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Re: “UBO Minus (MV3)” – An Experimental uBlock Origin Build for Manifest V3

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

> V3 has gotten better at blocking ads over time, not worse. That may be true, but it's still significantly limited compared to MV2. And at the current rate, that is unlikely to change by the time Manifest V2 support is removed. What's important is that MV3 adblocker developers no longer have full control over how they're allowed to modify pages. Given how adversarial the relationship between adblockers and websites…

Yeah, so I'm against V3 mostly because I think that the pros of developers having power outweigh the cons of potential malicious extensions. I personally would have preferred rethinking a few other areas first: 1. Auditability - both in terms of the code and the behaviors 2. Improved permissions - could we have split WebRequest up? 3. Improved performance - could we have leveraged new APIs, like the declarative API,…

Great suggestions. The "third party buys popular extension and quietly adds malware" approach is also a huge attack vector. There really ought to be some way to prevent an extension from updating until you've had a chance to review and approve that change, especially if it requests a lot of sensitive permissions.
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