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“UBO Minus (MV3)” – An Experimental uBlock Origin Build for Manifest V3

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Re: “UBO Minus (MV3)” – An Experimental uBlock Origin Build for Manifest V3

#51

I approve (of both the release and the name). I see plenty of folks in here lamenting this release at all - in the hopes that the lack of it will push folks to Firefox. It won't. Those who care about this are already on Firefox, and frankly - Firefox isn't going to be the answer here (to be clear, this is opinion). I'm also not thrilled at manifest v3, although for very different reasons than the adblocking limitatio…

I will, for sure, switch to FF the second uBlock stops working in Chrome/Chromium.

I switched from the Safari on MacOS for just the same reason even though I lost things like ApplePay etc.

I am not giving up on uBlock. The web is too bloated and unusable for me without it.

Re: “UBO Minus (MV3)” – An Experimental uBlock Origin Build for Manifest V3

#52
post #22

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Are they? I see ad blocker ads on YouTube all the time. Presumably google would block them if they were a real threat.

If adblockers can afford to pay for ads, that means they have a business model, and the one and only adblocker business model is "pay to play", where companies pay adblockers to allow their ads through.

Nagware/scareware (pushing subscriptions on users, possibly with misleading claims) is also a business model I've seen used.

I honestly don't mind the "pay to play" model. It's a way to establish a healthy ad ecosystem. Ad blockers define what they consider acceptable, and collect money. They have an incentive to find a reasonable balance: The less restrictive they are, the more money they make, but the second they go over the line, users will jump to another ad blocker that's more restrictive.

I've intentionally and knowingly tolerated the "acceptable ads" from ABP until they started allowing the Outbrain/Taboola chumboxes. (There even were two versions of those, the normal one full of bright colors, tits and disgusting disease images, and a slightly toned down one for the "acceptable ads" users!)

Since those ads rely on making you psychologically uncomfortable (feeling like you're missing out) unless you engage with their worthless, misleading and unsatisfactory clickbait content, they're 100% unacceptable to me, and ABP lost a user.

If uBlock Origin offered an ad whitelist that only allows ad networks that a) serve only their own JavaScript, no third party crap b) only serve static text and re-encoded static, non-animated images c) have some meaningfully enforced editorial standards, d) have some privacy oversight and follow tracking opt-outs, I would definitely give it a chance. I don't mind supporting web sites and content creators, and I don't mind seeing relevant ads (which can usually be targeted based on the content I'm looking at just fine).

I do mind having my fan try to reach escape velocity due to crappy JS, getting served malware and exploits, random "this site is trying to play DRM protected video" popups indicating that something is trying to do fingerprinting, 300 different companies getting my browsing data and 20 of them executing code in my browser (code that they haven't written themselves but have been handed by an intermediary of an intermediary), and last but not least graphic images of diseased body parts. Solve these problems, and I won't need to use an ad blocker. Don't solve these problems, and I will put protecting myself over your revenue.

I also mind having to constantly explain to my parents why the new cool product or shop they saw an ad for is an utter scam, and how exactly they'll lose money if they fall for it. I also mind having to constantly scrape crapware and malware from my friends' and relatives' computers, _including Chromebooks_. As long as ads lead to that, I have no choice but to deploy ad blockers.

Re: “UBO Minus (MV3)” – An Experimental uBlock Origin Build for Manifest V3

#53
post #14

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First time in a while running Firefox on Mac, and I'm happy to report it finally supports bounce scrolling! In general scrolling is very smooth and performance seems excellent.

Nope, not here. No bouncing, maybe due to 'no animation settings' in display. Also, scrolling feels different. Different speed, different acceleration. Still doesn't feel native at all.

> Nope, not here. No bouncing, maybe due to 'no animation settings' in display

Where's that setting?

> Different speed, different acceleration.

Huh, interesting! Are you mouse or trackpad? I'm comparing side-by-side on trackpad and I can't detect any difference. If I flick the trackpad at the same speed they will both land roughly in the same place on the page, and the variation, as near as I can tell, is because of variations in my flick speed.

In both Safari and Firefox I find it basically effortless to scroll exactly where I want to. (This was emphatically not true for me in previous versions of Firefox.) Feels totally natural. Though maybe there is a difference I'm just not sensitive enough to detect!

FWIW, I'm on Firefox 104.0.2, macOS 12.5.1, MB Pro / M1 Max.

(Spark, which is a supposedly-native email app, somehow has weirder feeling scrolling to me than Firefox.)

Re: “UBO Minus (MV3)” – An Experimental uBlock Origin Build for Manifest V3

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post #26
post #9

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> How many people use adblockers? About 43 %, according to [1]. > Is there any chance manifest v3 will lead to enough users abandoning Googles Chrome […] No. Google Chrome is pretty much in the same position as Internet Explorer used to be. It's the default browser in the most popular mobile OS and the first thing people install on their PC (or get it installed by someone else). Mozilla can barely play catch-up with…

The 43% number is huge imo. A large quantity of devices either cannot install adblock (or cannot do so easily) such as "smart" tvs. Even to install on Android Firefox it took more effort than I expected.

It seems the actual number is 43% of those surveyed use an ad blocking tool at least once a month, so a lot of those may only have their ad blocker installed on their PC, plus the bias that comes from only having the answers of those who responded to the survey

Re: “UBO Minus (MV3)” – An Experimental uBlock Origin Build for Manifest V3

#55
post #31

Tangent but let's stop referring to it as a mere ad blocker, it's a content blocker - it's even a very useful and impactful accessibility tool in that capacity. ADHD sucks and I have a lot to thank to these types of tools for acting as my "crutches" that allowed me get where I am today.

I’d just like to interject for a moment. What you’re refering to as an ad blocker, is in fact, a content/ad blocker, or as I’ve recently taken to calling it, a content plus ad blocker. Ad blockers are not an extension unto themselves, but rather another downloadable block list for a fully functioning user agent made useful by the extension, browser chrome, and vital web engine components comprising a full user agent content customization system, which, in this case, can be customized using the ABP blocklist syntax.

Many computer users run a modified version of a content blocker every day, without realizing it. Through a peculiar turn of events, the version of the content blocker which is widely used today is often called an ad blocker, and many of its users are not aware that it is basically a generic content blocker with a particularly popular block list preloaded.

Re: “UBO Minus (MV3)” – An Experimental uBlock Origin Build for Manifest V3

#56
post #49

I approve (of both the release and the name). I see plenty of folks in here lamenting this release at all - in the hopes that the lack of it will push folks to Firefox. It won't. Those who care about this are already on Firefox, and frankly - Firefox isn't going to be the answer here (to be clear, this is opinion). I'm also not thrilled at manifest v3, although for very different reasons than the adblocking limitatio…

I was fully in the Google world prior to gorhill's posts on manifest v3 as a direct result the only thing I have left is a pixel phone, which will be going with the new iPhone (and in the meantime my entire family has been 'helpfully' migrated too) I may be up the extreme end of the distribution, but this sort of grassroots push is what dethroned IE, and the resultant loss of control of the web eliminated Microsoft's…

Can you explain why you'd switch to an iPhone over a web browser? iPhone is a huge step back for having an open browser with user focused extensions.

https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/add-ons-firefox-ios

Re: “UBO Minus (MV3)” – An Experimental uBlock Origin Build for Manifest V3

#57
post #51

I approve (of both the release and the name). I see plenty of folks in here lamenting this release at all - in the hopes that the lack of it will push folks to Firefox. It won't. Those who care about this are already on Firefox, and frankly - Firefox isn't going to be the answer here (to be clear, this is opinion). I'm also not thrilled at manifest v3, although for very different reasons than the adblocking limitatio…

I will, for sure, switch to FF the second uBlock stops working in Chrome/Chromium. I switched from the Safari on MacOS for just the same reason even though I lost things like ApplePay etc. I am not giving up on uBlock. The web is too bloated and unusable for me without it.

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Re: “UBO Minus (MV3)” – An Experimental uBlock Origin Build for Manifest V3

#58

I approve (of both the release and the name). I see plenty of folks in here lamenting this release at all - in the hopes that the lack of it will push folks to Firefox. It won't. Those who care about this are already on Firefox, and frankly - Firefox isn't going to be the answer here (to be clear, this is opinion). I'm also not thrilled at manifest v3, although for very different reasons than the adblocking limitatio…

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Re: “UBO Minus (MV3)” – An Experimental uBlock Origin Build for Manifest V3

#60

If you're still using Chrome now is the time to switch to Firefox. This is an interesting experiment but the only solution is to stop using Chrome.

Firefox still isn't a suitable Chrome replacement. Chrome may be beaconing half your browsing data back to Mountain View quietly in the background, but Firefox shoves its monetization strategy right in your face every time you open a new tab (Pocket, VPN ads, etc). Firefox is also drastically more complex in the UI and menus, and is missing a lot of UX niceties in the window and address bar itself (extra clicks to search all open tabs comes to mind). Mozilla has no one to blame but Mozilla for where Firefox isn't in terms of market share.
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