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Re: Kiwi Farms has been removed from the Internet Archive

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Post by jjulius »

richbell wrote: post #169
jjulius wrote: post #162

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>Screenshots are not a trustworthy medium. Sure. That's why it's likely that - again, I don't know how this still bears repeating in this comment chain - IA still has the site archived, just not publicly accessible.

> I don't know how this still bears repeating in this comment chain - IA still has the site archived, just not publicly accessible. Because if it isn't publicly accessible it functionally doesn't exist, and what remains is a number of publications of questionable veracity. Perhaps law enforcement will eventually be able to comb through the data, but there is no guarantee the general public ever will be able to.

Any relevant body investigating things is perfectly capable of reaching out to IA for access to their archive of the site.

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Post by a_shovel »

pclmulqdq wrote: post #103
marginalia_nu wrote: post #92

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If anything, the reason there's such a controversy in the first place is that they've gotten far more attention than they wanted. This sort of activity is only possible while skulking in obscurity. Damnatio memoriae is devastating to a public figure, but it is doing KiwiFarms a huge favor. It lets them scurry away under some new rock and keep going under a new name. The worst thing you could do is probably just shine…

This whole campaign has been damning for the folks trying to take down kiwifarms. All of the evidence of their bad past behavior that used to be confined to one obscure site is now plastered all over the internet, and millions of people know about it. My personal semi-conspiracy theory on this is that the search warrant served on Keffals (no, not a SWAT call, a search warrant) contained some note that they got probab…

She has run to one country, the United Kingdom, which surprisingly doesn't have an extradition treaty with Canada, but which is mentioned specifically as a country that will extradite to Canada on this [https://www.justice.gc.ca/eng/cj-jp/emla-eej/bycan-parcan.ht...] Canada government website.

Re: Kiwi Farms has been removed from the Internet Archive

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Post by richbell »

jjulius wrote: post #171
richbell wrote: post #169

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I don't know how this still bears repeating in this comment chain - IA still has the site archived, just not publicly accessible. Because if it isn't publicly accessible it functionally doesn't exist, and what remains is a number of publications of questionable veracity. Perhaps law enforcement will eventually be able to comb through the data, but there is no guarantee the general public ever will be able to.

Any relevant body investigating things is perfectly capable of reaching out to IA for access to their archive of the site.

I am not claiming it isn't. My point is that 99% of people who haven't heard of Kiwi Farms prior won't be able to validate any claims against a primary resource.

It becomes a very questionable "trust us, they were bad" from sources that are demonstrably flawed.

(I am not saying they aren't bad, but from researching common claims like the owner is a pedophile and the Christchurch shooter posted on Kiwi Farms myself, it's clear that quite a few are exaggerated or not true.)

Re: Kiwi Farms has been removed from the Internet Archive

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Post by ohgodplsno »

firstSpeaker wrote: post #154
ohgodplsno wrote: post #148

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Do you believe that being on the Internet Archive is a god-given right and that only a judge should be able to tell IA to delete the work that IA chooses to do on their own? If you're a shithead in a club, you get kicked out. If you're a shithead with your family, you get kicked out. If you're a shithead on the internet, you also get kicked out.

I do not believe any shithead should be given a pass. My comment was mostly about who decides who is a shithead. If tomorrow someone famous/outreaching enough on twitter/etc. decides that I am a shithead, should google close my account?

Yeah ? In the same way that if you're in my home and someone comes to me telling me you're being a shithead, and there's verifiable proof that you're being a shithead at the very moment, you're going out.

Re: Kiwi Farms has been removed from the Internet Archive

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Post by pclmulqdq »

a_shovel wrote: post #172
pclmulqdq wrote: post #103

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This whole campaign has been damning for the folks trying to take down kiwifarms. All of the evidence of their bad past behavior that used to be confined to one obscure site is now plastered all over the internet, and millions of people know about it. My personal semi-conspiracy theory on this is that the search warrant served on Keffals (no, not a SWAT call, a search warrant) contained some note that they got probab…

She has run to one country, the United Kingdom, which surprisingly doesn't have an extradition treaty with Canada, but which is mentioned specifically as a country that will extradite to Canada on this [ https://www.justice.gc.ca/eng/cj-jp/emla-eej/bycan-parcan.ht... ] Canada government website.

Very few countries, even without an extradition treaty, will refuse to extradite someone over prurient contact with minors. However, there will still be hearings and lots of legal process to fight the extradition - a lot more than if there were a treaty.

Re: Kiwi Farms has been removed from the Internet Archive

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Post by bastawhiz »

hnburnsy wrote: post #49

Well I guess there is now limited ways for someone to evaluate for themselves on whether KF was posting horrific content without significant moderation. Guess we at least have Taylor Lorenz to tell us exactly what is going on here in a full and unbiased way. Someone here at HN at least posted this link which told more of the story than I have seen anywhere else. Also search the HN archives (for now at least it seems)…

Is it ethical to keep snapshots of pages doxing people? Or dumps of bank account numbers? There's no way to both preserve that content publicly and also protect the victims.

Re: Kiwi Farms has been removed from the Internet Archive

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Post by hn92726819 »

helf wrote: post #110

Amazes me the number of people who cry foul when something like this occurs. “Waaa censorship! This is evil! The internet is collapsing! Omg!” 1. Archive.org probably has just disallowed access. Not outright purged. 2. Shit drops off the internet literally every day 3. It’s a site full of edgelord incels who have a history of being complete pieces of shit 4. This isn’t a precursor to some horrible dystopian future of…

I think kiwi farms should be taken offline because it’s a horrible site. What good is there in taking down the archive of it? Having archives of trump’s tweets was important after his twitter was removed so we could see what was there. There’s a difference between allowing people to use the site/post, and having a record of what was there.

Re: Kiwi Farms has been removed from the Internet Archive

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Post by caeril »

jjulius wrote: post #166
firstSpeaker wrote: post #154

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I do not believe any shithead should be given a pass. My comment was mostly about who decides who is a shithead. If tomorrow someone famous/outreaching enough on twitter/etc. decides that I am a shithead, should google close my account?

If you were to host your own forum, and people began using it to dox trans individuals with the explicit goal of harassing them, how would you react and what action(s), if any, would you take?

Probably the same actions taken on antifa forums that are used to dox Trump-voting boomers with the explicit goal of harassing them: nothing.

IA is not being "bad", here. They're just being inconsistent. Either doxing/harassment is casus belli to scrub content, or it's not.

Re: Kiwi Farms has been removed from the Internet Archive

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Post by branon »

yesco wrote: post #161
Cr4shMyCar wrote: post #108

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Yes, yes it was. Kiwifarms users harassed, stalked, and doxxed 3 people (at least) into suicide and ruined many people's lives. How many people has an average site like Hacker News bullied into suicide?

How many has Facebook? Twitter? Back when I was in high school (graduated 2014), three students within my district committed suicide from cyber bullying conducted through these platforms, there wasn't even any bans! Kiwi-farms seems fairly mundane based on everything I've read about it so far (not that I can even look at the site for myself now). Why is there a double standard here? How the hell did these random twit…

> How the hell did these random twitter users manage to gain the power to pick and choose who gets to be on the internet now?

This is the part that really worries me. Random Twitter users trying to dictate what _I_ am allowed to read. And Cloudflare and the Internet Archive bends to their will! Highly embarrassing, these people should be taken at anything but face value.

Cloudflare folding is nothing new, but I really expected better of the Internet Archive.

Openly, to any outrage-politicking militant Twitter deathsquad member: you will never stop me from reading what I want to read. I wasn't aware of Kiwi Farms before your ridiculous antics but now you can bank on me reading EVERYTHING I can possibly get my hands on.

I will form my own opinions and you will have no say at all. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Streisand_effect -- good luck. You can't stop the signal.

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