I guess the internet archive doesn’t take their mission of preserving the internet very seriously
Kiwi Farms has been removed from the Internet Archive
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#72Earlier quoted context omitted.
More apt comparison, should we erase Meinkampf or Das Kapital or any books that inspire violences (for example, the holy books) from existence?
That isn't apt, because removing Kiwi Farms from the Internet Archive doesn't remove it from existence. Apt would be, should publishers have the right not to publish material like Mein Kampf, if they so choose, or does "free speech" now mean that all publishers must be forced to publish everything, however objectionable, if legal?
> That isn't apt, because removing Kiwi Farms from the Internet Archive doesn't remove it from existence.
The remove part was done already. They are not on the internet anymore. It was removed from Internet Archive because it contains some inconvenient information about DIY HRT to minors and other accusations.
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#73Can somebody explain the back story? What is Kiwi Farms?
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#74I guess the internet archive doesn’t take their mission of preserving the internet very seriously
What KF? Never heard of it.
I guess the old addage has never been truer: "History is Written by Victors"
Re: Kiwi Farms has been removed from the Internet Archive
#75I guess the internet archive doesn’t take their mission of preserving the internet very seriously
Not available does not mean not preserved. It’s likely darked; still stored on disk but not available nor are further snapshots permitted.
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#77I guess the internet archive doesn’t take their mission of preserving the internet very seriously
That's not their mission though.
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#78Earlier quoted context omitted.
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Do you think the parents whose child was on the cover of Nat Geo count as a "public internet persona"? Do you think it's right that people should be forced to go into hiding and avoid something as basic as a magazine interview for fear of becoming a target on these sites? What you're advocating is complete self-censorship for people with views these websites consider targets.
Being on the cover of a major magazine (with an accompanying article) absolutely makes you a public person, and you can't expect people not to criticize your family for doing something that is still controversial.
Re: Kiwi Farms has been removed from the Internet Archive
#79Earlier quoted context omitted.
Do you think the parents whose child was on the cover of Nat Geo count as a "public internet persona"? Do you think it's right that people should be forced to go into hiding and avoid something as basic as a magazine interview for fear of becoming a target on these sites? What you're advocating is complete self-censorship for people with views these websites consider targets.
Being on the cover of a major magazine (with an accompanying article) absolutely makes you a public person, and you can't expect people not to criticize your family for doing something that is still controversial.
If all they did was criticizing we wouldn't have this conversation - plenty places do that.
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How did it achieve nothing? Deplatforming has shown to be effective. The Nazi site that CF shut down is very difficult to access.
It doesn't stop Nazis from existing though (or even knowing about, visiting and supporting the site). If we do the same thing with KiwiFarms, we just make it harder to monitor and easier for serial-abusers to collaborate. The majority of KiwiFarms users simply aren't solely enabled by the website existing, either. I simply don't believe in deplatforming, and it disappoints me to see Cloudflare shrug and cave in.
> It doesn't stop Nazis from existing though (or even knowing about, visiting and supporting the site).
This approach is making perfect the enemy of good. There is no perfect way to solve this problem.
> If we do the same thing with KiwiFarms, we just make it harder to monitor and easier for serial-abusers to collaborate.
It's still a website, it's still accessible. That part hasn't gone away. If the contention is that launching TOR somehow means it's "harder to monitor" then I have some news for you: Lots of monitoring of darkweb stuff goes on every day.