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Kiwi Farms has been removed from the Internet Archive
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#62Earlier quoted context omitted.
> The same Epik that turned down 8chan? Epik hosted 8chan in the interim after Cloudflare dropped them. This cause Epik's hosting provider to drop them, and since Epik doesn't own their datacenters they had to abide by their hardware provider's decision: https://www.theverge.com/2019/8/5/20754943/8chan-epik-offlin... I'll still eat some crow, though; I forgot the entire business was owned by Rob Monster (a veritable…
How did it achieve nothing? Deplatforming has shown to be effective. The Nazi site that CF shut down is very difficult to access.
It doesn't stop Nazis from existing though (or even knowing about, visiting and supporting the site). If we do the same thing with KiwiFarms, we just make it harder to monitor and easier for serial-abusers to collaborate. The majority of KiwiFarms users simply aren't solely enabled by the website existing, either.
I simply don't believe in deplatforming, and it disappoints me to see Cloudflare shrug and cave in.
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#63This is ridiculous and has been a cascade of awful precedents for the Internet. This is legitimately an extremely bad sign of what's to come for the Internet's future.
Popular endorsement of harassment to the point of suicide seems like a worse sign, personally. When it comes to threats to freedom of expression, I'm much more concerned about the religious right's abuse of government authority to censor education, ban books, and suppress the vote, than I am about private institutions taking steps to protect human life.
How many times have people been ridiculed to the point of suicide by their peers on Facebook, Twitter, etc? Should those sites be taken offline too?
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#65Hopefully the result of all this will be more mainstream adoption of tor, i2p, freenet and other censorship-resistant platforms.
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#66What's the endgame here? Because the site's not going anywhere and everything that's happened has only emboldened their user base. There's likely to be unintended consequences too with even less scrupulous and accountable operators popping up to offer their services to sites like Kiwi Farms. They're not going to have any shortage of customers going forward.
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#67that's not how an archive should work. but perhaps Internet Archive is not an archive and it doesn't want to be one.
So if they scrape a kiddie porn site, they should keep that publicly available in perpetuity? That's not how the world works.
More apt comparison, should we erase Meinkampf or Das Kapital or any books that inspire violences (for example, the holy books) from existence?
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#68that's not how an archive should work. but perhaps Internet Archive is not an archive and it doesn't want to be one.
So if they scrape a kiddie porn site, they should keep that publicly available in perpetuity? That's not how the world works.
Viewing child porn is illegal, viewing anything on KiwiFarms isn't, in most places, including the US where the "Internet Archive" is.
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#69Earlier quoted context omitted.
So if they scrape a kiddie porn site, they should keep that publicly available in perpetuity? That's not how the world works.
More apt comparison, should we erase Meinkampf or Das Kapital or any books that inspire violences (for example, the holy books) from existence?
That isn't apt, because removing Kiwi Farms from the Internet Archive doesn't remove it from existence.
Apt would be, should publishers have the right not to publish material like Mein Kampf, if they so choose, or does "free speech" now mean that all publishers must be forced to publish everything, however objectionable, if legal?
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#70Has any individual been arrested for a crime yet?
If only there was a way to look at the alleged evidence...