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Re: Tell HN: Sites like Kiwifarms are destroying free speech

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> " ...how you could defend that site... " Nobody is defending the site, at least not on this thread.

We’re clearly talking about a series of threads per op. Or are you just being pedantic “no one is defending site, they’re defending free speech?”

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Re: Tell HN: Sites like Kiwifarms are destroying free speech

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I wouldn’t go that far. People can have opinions and not be called radicalized regardless on your opinion of the CF vs KF thing.

I would be curious, and maybe OP is game, is to post their screen time reports.

I would wager most individuals just need to step away from the Internet and realize the world isn’t these big fun extreme black and white bandwagons most platforms make things seem.

Re: Tell HN: Sites like Kiwifarms are destroying free speech

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As someone who pseudonymously defends the right of KiwiFarms to exist, I am pretty much guaranteed to lose my job if I am doxxed and targeted by the usual activist crowd. A trans woman who opposes KiwiFarms faces no comparable intrinsic threat, which is why I can't take these crybully attacks on speech seriously.

Given how many people on HN are indeed arguing that Cloudflare should not have booted KiwiFarms with well established accounts tied to real identities, either HN is about to have an unemployment spike or this just isn't true.

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Re: Tell HN: Sites like Kiwifarms are destroying free speech

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Cloudflare is 100% in the wrong. It's like owning a restaurant where a robbery is discussed; should the restaurant have its license revoked? Should the people who provide milk, fruit, meat to the restaurant permanently stop doing business with them because of that? No they shouldn't. Individuals are responsible both for their behaviour and their reactions to the behaviour of others. This is yet another precedent set…

If a school with a massive bullying problem flat-out refuses to address the issue in spite of continued issues time after time, would parents be unjustified in getting upset at the school for not taking action?

Should they be placated if the school just said "we are utterly disgusted and revolted by the bully's actions against your kids! But we also take a strong stance against punishing the bullies, because detention or expulsion would set a dangerous precedence that will eventually be abused"

Re: Tell HN: Sites like Kiwifarms are destroying free speech

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As someone who pseudonymously defends the right of KiwiFarms to exist, I am pretty much guaranteed to lose my job if I am doxxed and targeted by the usual activist crowd. A trans woman who opposes KiwiFarms faces no comparable intrinsic threat, which is why I can't take these crybully attacks on speech seriously.

Do we have many/any examples of people defending free speech (note: not defending hate speech) losing their jobs for it? Honestly asking. I'd be interested in seeing how the number of incidents someone actually getting harmed by supporting free speech compares to the amount of people harmed for being trans or supporting trans rights

Re: Tell HN: Sites like Kiwifarms are destroying free speech

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As someone who pseudonymously defends the right of KiwiFarms to exist, I am pretty much guaranteed to lose my job if I am doxxed and targeted by the usual activist crowd. A trans woman who opposes KiwiFarms faces no comparable intrinsic threat, which is why I can't take these crybully attacks on speech seriously.

Given how many people on HN are indeed arguing that Cloudflare should not have booted KiwiFarms with well established accounts tied to real identities, either HN is about to have an unemployment spike or this just isn't true.

Obviously the cancellation mob only has reach to a limited number of targets, like KiwiFarms. If Keffels or someone like them did in fact highlight someone and contact their employer I expect that this would have results.

Re: Tell HN: Sites like Kiwifarms are destroying free speech

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post #60

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Given how many people on HN are indeed arguing that Cloudflare should not have booted KiwiFarms with well established accounts tied to real identities, either HN is about to have an unemployment spike or this just isn't true.

Obviously the cancellation mob only has reach to a limited number of targets, like KiwiFarms. If Keffels or someone like them did in fact highlight someone and contact their employer I expect that this would have results.

Sure, it doesn't need to happen to everyone to be a valid concern, but it needs to happen to someone. So who? Who is this person who has been attacked by the "cancellation mob" and fired for saying nothing more than "Cloudflare shouldn't have dropped Kiwifarms, if a crime was committed it was a matter for law enforcement?"

Re: Tell HN: Sites like Kiwifarms are destroying free speech

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As someone who pseudonymously defends the right of KiwiFarms to exist, I am pretty much guaranteed to lose my job if I am doxxed and targeted by the usual activist crowd. A trans woman who opposes KiwiFarms faces no comparable intrinsic threat, which is why I can't take these crybully attacks on speech seriously.

Excuse my lack of understanding about the topic since I'm not American, but is this thread about the swatting of Marjorie Taylor Greene? Isn't she some U.S. ultraconservative politician?

Seems a little bit weird that a "right wing forum" would SWAT one of their own representatives, claiming the hit while using a voice changer, just in the middle of an open crusade against them, while some trans activists are trying to taken them off the internet.

Aren't swattings against members of the congress investigated in U.S.?

Re: Tell HN: Sites like Kiwifarms are destroying free speech

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Won't someone please think of the children argument. Trafficking is much worse then anyone thinks argument. Two things going around the alt right circles.

"Won't someone censor this violent movie it might influence my kids" is a wont someone please think of the children argument Archiving the actions of proven pedophiles in the media and popular culture is not, that is a noble service

No it's not. It's vigilantism.

Re: Tell HN: Sites like Kiwifarms are destroying free speech

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I agree with you. Cloudflare is an independent entity and is within its rights to refuse service for businesses that are unsavory (including kiwifarms due to supporting harassment, propagandists, illegal substances, or whatever it chooses). I am surprised radicalized keyboard warriors on the internet feel better about the situation and their lives when they harass, SWAT, and dox others. I am sorry you've experienced…

Thank you, it really does help. This post was me releasing my frustration. I've censored myself a lot more than usual throughout kiwifarm's deplatforming, for fear when they regroup they may attack those who were critical of them. I worry I'd be near the top of the list because I'm also trans. But I don't want them to win by being silent.

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