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Re: Tell HN: Sites like Kiwifarms are destroying free speech

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If you're trying to throw out the baby with the bathwater, we'd be remiss if we didn't tell you that's not a good thing to do, no matter how bigoted the bathwater is. If you interpret that as "support for ... a cesspool of bigotry", well, sorry but that says more about your blinkered worldview than it does about anyone else.

> We'd be remiss if we didn't tell you that's not a good thing to do, no matter how bigoted the bathwater is. I understand what freedom of speech is. I've weighed the options and still can't see how you could defend that site. No need to be patronizing. In any case, the post has been flagged. You win.

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Re: Tell HN: Sites like Kiwifarms are destroying free speech

#32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you're trying to throw out the baby with the bathwater, we'd be remiss if we didn't tell you that's not a good thing to do, no matter how bigoted the bathwater is. If you interpret that as "support for ... a cesspool of bigotry", well, sorry but that says more about your blinkered worldview than it does about anyone else.

> We'd be remiss if we didn't tell you that's not a good thing to do, no matter how bigoted the bathwater is. I understand what freedom of speech is. I've weighed the options and still can't see how you could defend that site. No need to be patronizing. In any case, the post has been flagged. You win.

> "...how you could defend that site..."

Nobody is defending the site, at least not on this thread.

Re: Tell HN: Sites like Kiwifarms are destroying free speech

#33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> We'd be remiss if we didn't tell you that's not a good thing to do, no matter how bigoted the bathwater is. I understand what freedom of speech is. I've weighed the options and still can't see how you could defend that site. No need to be patronizing. In any case, the post has been flagged. You win.

> " ...how you could defend that site... " Nobody is defending the site, at least not on this thread.

We’re clearly talking about a series of threads per op. Or are you just being pedantic “no one is defending site, they’re defending free speech?”

Re: Tell HN: Sites like Kiwifarms are destroying free speech

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> What's the precedence set by continuing to do business with kiwifarms? Continuing to do business with Kiwifarms is an acknowledgement that individuals are responsible for their own actions, and any illegal activity such as swatting is the fault of the individual. Are Mark Zuckerberg and Meta responsible when people livestream murders or plan terrorist attacks using Facebook? Obviously no. Now I will acknowledge tha…

Well, it affirms that idea, but you're kind of begging the question here - it's a point of view rather than a fact. I do think Zuckerberg (especially as CEO with an unassailable majority stake of voting shares) does bear some responsibility for what happens on his platform.

Re: Tell HN: Sites like Kiwifarms are destroying free speech

#36

I completely agree with you on this. It's wild how many posts go grey on here that call kiwifarms exactly what they are, a site whose purpose is harassment. Coordinated harassment. Off site harassment. They have people who aren't completely stupid who coordinate things less directly on the site but off the site just for situations like this where they could be like look nothing bad's happening on our website why are…

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Re: Tell HN: Sites like Kiwifarms are destroying free speech

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Cloudflare is 100% in the wrong. It's like owning a restaurant where a robbery is discussed; should the restaurant have its license revoked? Should the people who provide milk, fruit, meat to the restaurant permanently stop doing business with them because of that? No they shouldn't. Individuals are responsible both for their behaviour and their reactions to the behaviour of others. This is yet another precedent set where people who hold views, however acerbic, that are contrary to the "mainstream" are simply cancelled. It's an environment akin to the catholic church of the middle ages, or to some insane dictatorship where everything the ruling party says and does is right and everyone else is wrong.

From removing the dislike button on youtube, mass censorship of comments, paypal and other payment providers refusing to do business with people they deem "problematic" and now this, it seems like the liberal west is only nominally liberal (don't even get me started on inane "ESG Scores"). It used to be the puritanical conservatives that were against everything and now it seems the pendulum has swung the other way. While I personally find kiwifarms and such sites to be utterly disgusting and revolting, their cancellation is yet another precedent set in what seems to be a nascent global hegemony that will eventually turn feudalistic.

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