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Post by claudiawerner »

irthomasthomas wrote: post #273

I didn't know about this site until yesterday. After reading the thread that got them took down, I know one thing, I will not be letting my children near discord. I mean, if this is how people act in public[0], I hate to imagine what kind of stuff they are doing in a private discord, away from parents prying eyes. There's no heroes in this story. [0] Bathtub hormones being sold to minors in bright packaging featuring…

>Bathtub hormones being sold to minors in bright packaging featuring a cartoon with the speech bubble

Reading this is hilarious from someone in the know: you're referring to 'Otoko no Ko pharmaceuticals', which is a website operated in South America which asks no questions as to who they're shipping to; they just accept crypto payment and send it off. It's not part of some grooming campaign, and the characters featured are anime characters, not 'cartoon' characters in the sense you suggest targets children as consumers.

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Post by nicbou »

no-dr-onboard wrote: post #922

Supporting the removal of a problematic site ( as though that would do the trick ) at the expense of setting a bad president is a profoundly oblique way to go about things. A few years ago people urged CDNs and ISPs to drop the Daily Caller, then it was Parler, and for numerous times it was 4/8chan. At what point do we admit that the solution to extremism isn’t in blocking sites where this activity collaborates? This…

Isn't the other option to facilitate it? There's no inaction here, since you provide a service to that group. You choose between turning a blind eye or kicking them out.

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Post by nicbou »

reset-password wrote: post #434

Is this a good thing? That internet vigilantes are able to decide what can stay and what must go? If Kiwifarms was a hive for so much illegal activity then certainly the FBI must have heard of them by now and I'd expect them along with the courts to be the arbiters of justice rather than some angry people on Twitter. I'm not celebrating because I'm not short sighted. We can all see where this is going.

Not every slope is this slippery. You can allow a bunch of things, but have boundaries for what is allowed on your platform.

A bar owner can kick out a troublemaker, and people won't think "first they kick Shitstarter Steve, and next thing you know they kick you out because you order the wrong beer". Other patrons are relieved that Steve will have to start shit somewhere else.

It's fine to show some people the door.

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Post by nicbou »

bioemerl wrote: post #635
Febra33 wrote: post #629

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There's no mob rule. A private company decided to stop servicing that filth because it would hurt their profits. There's nothing freer than this.

This is mob rule, private companies do nothing but appeal to whatever they have to in order to make money, and to rely on them for control of our basic ability to have a platform is incredibly harmful and you should not support it. There are some powers which should not be in the hands of corporate executives, this is one of them. There are also times that it wouldn't be mob rule, those times should be shareholder ru…

In this case, what's the difference between mob rule and serving your customers?

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Post by Krisando »

Krisando wrote: post #40

It looks like KiwiFarms is still running on their onion site: http://uquusqsaaad66cvub4473csdu4uu7ahxou3zqc35fpw5d4ificedz... (Need TOR browser or Brave)

I learned this morning that they've managed to acquire the services of a Chinese company to run kiwifarms.top on the public Internet.

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Post by _vvaw »

bitwize wrote: post #916

APNIC has, apparently, withdrawn the IP addresses and ASN for Kiwi Farms. Fuck with the trans community, get blackholed. Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.

So the trans community stands with Keffals, a documented child groomer and provider of puberty blockers + hormones to minors behind their parents' backs?

https://archive.ph/HY4hK

Promoter (again, to children) of sketchy Internet pharmacies that sell hormones with anime lolita box art and labels that say “keep away from parents”?

https://archive.ph/zZMRp

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Post by juliosueiras »

philippejara wrote: post #606
ajross wrote: post #490

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> Maybe kiwifarms is all people say they are "All people say they are" is a site running coordinated harassment campaigns, including SWATing and bomb threats, though. Those are clear crimes. You can't seriously be arguing that CloudFlare or DDos-Guard or whoever shouldn't be allowed to choose not to do business with that sort of thing, can you? Like so many others here[1], your perception thing seems to be based sole…

My friend i've been trying to get some archive links or anything that shows any real evidence of swatting from the website, which seemed at the time to be completely open and freely archive-able and yet it's like trying to pull water out of a stone. Furthermore you have articles like the one from the AP[0] straight up saying: "They gang up on victims and pool their personal details such as addresses and phone numbers…

is more due to the fact that KF is born from the sole purpose of harassment(CWC) then move to harass more than just that one person

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Post by fluoridation »

vintermann wrote: post #924
fluoridation wrote: post #835

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That's a half-truth at best. There's a big part of the site dedicated to covering e.g. animal abusers. The site owner seems to rarely promote that kind of content to the front page though, unless they try to get the site shut down.

If anything I'd say that's in favor of them.

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Post by concordDance »

kelnos wrote: post #253
raxxorraxor wrote: post #162

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They also provide a good counter to propaganda. You don't have to believe you get Covid chipped or in evil lizard people to see serious and concerning displays of media propaganda. And yes, it is US corporations in cooperation with government far more than the Russians on the English speaking net. There is just as much propaganda in Russia in Russian of course. It is just the usual type of propaganda and works even m…

I think there are much better ways to counter propaganda than running a site that doxxes people you don't like and harasses them to the point they commit suicide. We should not enable folks like this. If these are the only sorts of people who can counter propaganda, then perhaps we deserve the propaganda.

Note that "the site" doesn't do this. Some of their users may do so and may or may not (I couldn't dig very deep before it went down) organise via the site.

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Post by 93po »

JumpCrisscross wrote: post #620
tsimionescu wrote: post #228

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So why are they not being prosecuted if it was a crime? DDoS is also a crime, and equates to mob justice at best in this case.

> why are they not being prosecuted if it was a crime? CloudFlare’s original announcement mentions law enforcement. The bomb threats will almost certainly see investigation; that’s domestic terrorism.

The bomb threats were done for political reasons?
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