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Keith Davis was protecting the oceans, then he disappeared

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Re: Keith Davis was protecting the oceans, then he disappeared

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Post by markstos »

spookierookie wrote: post #65

So, everybody knows that almost certainly the crew killed him, and the crew and their company and their vessel just walks? And that keeps happening... I'd propose in any subsequent event of a missing observer captain does time, ship seized, company closed and that's done even before police starting asking questions. I bet there wouldn't be any missing observer after that.

You could stop eating tuna today. For good measure, other fish too. Consumers are part of this story and have choices to make.

Re: Keith Davis was protecting the oceans, then he disappeared

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Post by philliphaydon »

therealdrag0 wrote: post #90
philliphaydon wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I would never eat Norwegian farmed salmon. Norwegian fish farming is on par with US pig farming.

Most Americans eat farmed pigs, so I guess they can eat Norwegian farmed salmon! Problem solved :)

https://www.nationalgeographic.com/animals/article/141028-ho...

https://youtu.be/ayGJ1YSfDXs

Re: Keith Davis was protecting the oceans, then he disappeared

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Post by philliphaydon »

vegardx wrote: post #86
philliphaydon wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I would never eat Norwegian farmed salmon. Norwegian fish farming is on par with US pig farming.

Is it any different from other farmed fish? And what is the danger here?

https://youtu.be/RYYf8cLUV5E

Many documentaries and stories about it.

In singapore my daughter LOVED salmon so we only bought NZ King Salmon.

Re: Keith Davis was protecting the oceans, then he disappeared

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Post by ianai »

skrebbel wrote: post #70
spookierookie wrote: post #65

So, everybody knows that almost certainly the crew killed him, and the crew and their company and their vessel just walks? And that keeps happening... I'd propose in any subsequent event of a missing observer captain does time, ship seized, company closed and that's done even before police starting asking questions. I bet there wouldn't be any missing observer after that.

I’ll never understand how passionately people will argue for a society without any form of civic justice, just because they’re angry about something they read on the internet. Just lock random people up without due process! That’ll teach them!

No need to sensationalize. Seizing a ship and other investigative steps sounds more like securing a crime scene and due process than anything else. If someone's a suspect in a serious crime it's probably best to not let them cross into international waters.

Re: Keith Davis was protecting the oceans, then he disappeared

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Post by ianai »

markstos wrote: post #91
spookierookie wrote: post #65

So, everybody knows that almost certainly the crew killed him, and the crew and their company and their vessel just walks? And that keeps happening... I'd propose in any subsequent event of a missing observer captain does time, ship seized, company closed and that's done even before police starting asking questions. I bet there wouldn't be any missing observer after that.

You could stop eating tuna today. For good measure, other fish too. Consumers are part of this story and have choices to make.

Agree. There's plenty to be said for simply choosing to not engage/employ bad actors. The fishing industry is full of pretty terrible stuff. I stopped eating meat in 2016.

Re: Keith Davis was protecting the oceans, then he disappeared

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Post by djbebs »

wumpus wrote: post #46
dukeofdoom wrote: post #40

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The logistics of what you are proposing is just not there, unless you're cool with committing another man made famine like the Holodomor. I actually find it disturbing with the ease you're willing to starve the poor of the world. Ocean fishing requires very little energy input, but provides huge amounts of ready to eat food output. You can't replace that in many parts of the world. Not every place has good farm land…

> Ocean fishing requires very little energy input So all of those studies pointing out that most ocean fishing only happens because of subsidized fuel are wrong?

Anytime someone tries to argue that fossil fuels are being subsidized, it's safe to ignore every argument they will ever make on the subject.

When someone can't even acknowledge reality there's really no point in engaging.

Re: Keith Davis was protecting the oceans, then he disappeared

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Post by therealdrag0 »

philliphaydon wrote: post #92
therealdrag0 wrote: post #90

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Most Americans eat farmed pigs, so I guess they can eat Norwegian farmed salmon! Problem solved :)

https://www.nationalgeographic.com/animals/article/141028-ho... https://youtu.be/ayGJ1YSfDXs

I wasn’t defending it. I’m just saying (short term) converting the median eater, who doesn’t care about pig welfare, to factory farmed salmon will be easier and more environmentally impactful than trying to make them vegetarian.

Re: Keith Davis was protecting the oceans, then he disappeared

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Post by Beltalowda »

ianai wrote: post #94
skrebbel wrote: post #70

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I’ll never understand how passionately people will argue for a society without any form of civic justice, just because they’re angry about something they read on the internet. Just lock random people up without due process! That’ll teach them!

No need to sensationalize. Seizing a ship and other investigative steps sounds more like securing a crime scene and due process than anything else. If someone's a suspect in a serious crime it's probably best to not let them cross into international waters.

"Captain does time" and "company closed", all "done even before police starts asking questions" doesn't sound like "due process" to me.

Re: Keith Davis was protecting the oceans, then he disappeared

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Post by Beltalowda »

yieldcrv wrote: post #77
m00x wrote: post #30

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I used to live in a lobster/crab fishing town near the Atlantic. Crab fishermen would meet First Nations people halfway to sell them the crabs that were over quota at a cheaper price since they don't have a quota, and they would sell it bootleg at the reserves. We used to go down and buy 12 lobsters for $40 when I was a kid (20 years ago). It was the best deal ever. When I left town, the fishermen started attacking F…

Huh never heard the precolonial societies on the Atlantic side referred to as First Nations Does all of Canada use that terminology now? I think that term only bleeds over across the border into the US in the Pacific Northwest, since some tribes there overlap borders and have a special cross border ID that allows employment (some cross border tribes in New England but theyre just split in two)

"First nations" is the common term in Canada to refer to the people living in the area now known as Canada before Europeans arrived, similar to "Native American" in the US.

Re: Keith Davis was protecting the oceans, then he disappeared

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Post by Beltalowda »

ssizn wrote: post #71
superchroma wrote: post #53

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That's too bad. Nobody told people to have all those mouths to feed. The oceans are overfished and heavily polluted and people need the ocean to survive. If people rely on fucking up the ocean, we're all in trouble.

Humans > Environment.

In principle, I don't entirely disagree with that, however, humans are part of the environment. We need "the environment" to survive, such as a sustainable marine ecosystem. I mean, if there are no more fish to catch due to overfishing then humans will be in trouble, too.
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