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Providing information about how to source drugs (and even encouraging people to take them) is not the same as drug trafficking. Erowid is not the Silk Road. As for the second allegation, I haven’t seen any substantiation. But I do know that in some circles any discussion in any context (eg: school) about sexual identity with teenagers has come to be considered “grooming” so I’m a bit suspect about the choice of words…

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This is a stupid clichee even on its on terms, but it doesn't even apply here, since shutting down Kiwi Farms does not just impose consequences on speech, it actually directly suppresses speech.

Kiwi Farms is merely being encouraged to be responsible for their speech without the help of a few others. What is wrong with that?

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> Hosting providers MUST be forced to provide a platform for everyone and anyone against the will of the provider. It SHALL NOT matter how many people their customers brag about driving to suicide. Nor should the hosting provider take into consideration harassment campaigns orchestrated by users of their platforms. -- Stallman, probably? /endsarcasm

I want content-neutral infrastructure. KF are scum and much of what they do should be illegal, but I want those decisions made in a court of law where they can defend themselves, not by whoever got in the ear of the right tech CEO. Platforms aren't people and shouldn't have rights.

If only the folks saying this stuff showed up in force to defend people other than nightmare bigots.

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Uh, no. I'm responding to the interpretation that the KW users generally want the people they follow to stop doing the things that make them worthy of being followed. ("Followed" here meaning "being talked about and having the things they do documented".) That's just not true, by-and-large.

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As people say in the free speech issue: if it's illegal - if you've got actual evidence - report it to the police. Plenty of KF users have been in contact with the police .. making bogus reports. https://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/northern-ireland/psn... In a statement to The Sunday Times, the PSNI said they received a report of an incident last Tuesday. “Officers attended the scene but found nothing ongoing on…

Weird how the "hey, it isn't illegal" defense is good enough for KF but not for Cloudflare.

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What happens if another site that you consider completely legitimate can't be hosted just because others think it is not acceptable? Maybe your views are currently acceptable, but will they be in 5, 10, 20 years?

Depends on the specifics, as always. I'm comfortable saying that whatever the line is, KF is firmly on the other side of it.

If you do not have a consistent standard other than something arbitrary and subjective then it is only a matter of time until the line changes again.

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What happens if another site that you consider completely legitimate can't be hosted just because others think it is not acceptable? Maybe your views are currently acceptable, but will they be in 5, 10, 20 years?

Why should private entities bear the burden of supporting content they don't endorse?

Do you believe your ISP should be allowed to drop you if you say something they don't like? What about your phone company? We, as a society, already forcing companies to support content they don't endorse.

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I'm not sure that it was PR. It is quite popular to be consistent and defend anybody who isn't convicted of a crime. If you are choosing to get CDN / DDOS protection and are running any site that may not be the most popular do you want to go with the company that bends their knee when the internet comes calling?

It's not popular if you're complicit in spreading hate for trans people.

Can you name a website that allows user content that is not "complicit in spreading hate for trans people"?

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Cloudflare caches and rehosts content. Their services actively facilitate the distribution of their customers' website contents.

So does an ISP?

ISPs are pipes. If they're doing anything more than offering a physical connection, they're not just an ISP.
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