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Post by ALittleLight »

spurgelaurels wrote: post #545
_vvaw wrote: post #486

Earlier quoted context omitted.

SWATing and harassment is explicitly prohibited on Kiwi Farms, and the site owner aggressively removes such content. "Doxing" is for better or worse not a crime, and is practiced by the very same people currently crying for Kiwi Farms' deletion.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kiwi_Farms I think maybe you should read this.

One side of a disagreement getting to write the relevant Wikipedia page has some trade-offs. On the one hand, the dominant side can cast the argument however they want. On the other hand, they can't really make it look like a fair or dispassionate accounting.

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Post by jimbob45 »

datalopers wrote: post #306
irthomasthomas wrote: post #273

I didn't know about this site until yesterday. After reading the thread that got them took down, I know one thing, I will not be letting my children near discord. I mean, if this is how people act in public[0], I hate to imagine what kind of stuff they are doing in a private discord, away from parents prying eyes. There's no heroes in this story. [0] Bathtub hormones being sold to minors in bright packaging featuring…

> I will not be letting my children near discord That's the equivalent of saying "I will not be letting my children near the internet"

I think the general thinking is that due to the limited number of hours per day, if you can keep [bad thing] away from your child within your own house, then they will struggle to ever acquire enough of [bad thing] to do harm considering the fact that they spend:

24 hours - 8 hours sleeping - 6 hours at school - [time spent in house] = negligible time left for malfeasance

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Post by zimpenfish »

armitron wrote: post #84
that_guy_iain wrote: post #45

The thing is, it's hard to feel bad for kiwifarms. They seem to be one of the worst sites there are. But freedom of speech/expression/opinions aren't about defending those who speech/expression/opinions you like but all of them. Personally, I think the site being shutdown is a good thing. But it's hard to look at the fact a few corporations can remove a website from the internet and think this is good for a free and…

It's not hard to feel bad for anyone getting censored/booted off the Internet. I see that "Gossithedog" lives in England, which - I reckon - makes it impossible for him to understand the value of free speech. The US is one of few countries on the planet where "freedom of speech" is a protected right (a list that doesn't include England). We're collectively worse off when the pitchforks come out and the mob allowed to…

> The US is one of few countries on the planet where "freedom of speech" is a protected right

If you mean 1A, that only protects your speech from the government, not anyone else (and even then it's not an unabridged right since there are legal limits on what you can say.)

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Post by neonsunset »

_vvaw wrote: post #564
spurgelaurels wrote: post #545

Earlier quoted context omitted.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kiwi_Farms I think maybe you should read this.

And I think you should read this: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=32712037 And this: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=32728365 The fight over Kiwi Farms' Wikipedia page is intense. Keffals, a central figure to this story described in the second link above, is now quoting the Wikipedia page as fact because it quotes an NBC News story which quotes... Keffals. If you don't rely strictly on primary sources it's…

It's interesting to see posts simply pointing out the facts getting downvoted. Almost as if it's more important to pursue something out of ideological and emotional motivation, reality be damned.

Also, a very good demonstration of the plague rampaging through STEM circles. Driving blind might be fashionable, but it won't make a wall one is running into go away.

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Post by Febra33 »

neonsunset wrote: post #334

The problem with salem witch trials du jour so fervently pushed by certain groups of people is closing to its demise with every case like this. The advantage of emotionally immature people (regardless of their actual age) having too much time on their hands forcing their narrative and banning any discourse that they don't like will eventually cease when the majority of people will realize that they are, well, in a ma…

Your argument looks like blatant self victimisation. Kiwi Farms is involved in the suicides and endangerement of multiple people. I really don't see the coherence in your arguments here.

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Post by pxeger1 »

ratsmack wrote: post #528
pxeger1 wrote: post #409

Earlier quoted context omitted.

(I'm inferring that your comment is supporting KiwiFarms. If this is not the case, you should probably re-word it.) > salem witch trials du jour so fervently pushed by certain groups of people Hunting trans people and pushing them to suicide sounds like much more of a witch trial to me. > forcing their narrative and banning any discourse that they don't like Telling to people to kill themselves is "discourse" that we…

Supporting Kiwi Farms right to exist is not the same as supporting the content.

KF has a responsibility to abide by the law. By extension, it has a responsibility to ensure its users do not use it to break the law. I support KF's right to exist, but not in this state.

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Post by favorited »

ALittleLight wrote: post #263
weare138 wrote: post #215

Earlier quoted context omitted.

3 people are dead because of that site. What they were doing was a crime. Criminal activity is not is not protected free speech. That's like arguing carding and SIM swapping sites are just expressing their right to free speech and should be protected.

Even if that were true, and I think it's pretty doubtful to just attribute a suicide to some people who made fun of or harassed the deceased, it's a criminal or civil matter. If people on that forum committed a crime, let them face the legal penalties. Why should the website be made persona non grata by Internet companies? How many more are dead from activities on Facebook, Instagram, etc? Why is it that big business…

> I think it's pretty doubtful to just attribute a suicide to some people who made fun of or harassed the deceased

Near literally said he was committing suicide due to the abuse from Kiwi Farms. If you're doubtful, it's because you're willfully ignorant.

https://twitter.com/near_koukai/status/1408986839743037448

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Post by shadowgovt »

ohCh6zos wrote: post #238
shadowgovt wrote: post #31

The modern 'Net is demonstrating the ability to interpret abuse as damage and route around it.

The pre-modern internet was a far more interesting place.

I was there and I cannot agree. I caution, in general, against mythologizing the past.

It was a wilder place, but so was the Wild West. Is Vegas less interesting than Tombstone?

I find it to be a different kind of interesting (and this one is far more convenient than what we had when it was AOL and BBSes).

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Post by phantom_of_cato »

Febra33 wrote: post #584

Cloudflare or any other privately owned company doesn't have an obligation to service everyone. They are not violating their free speech, no matter how long you turn it on every side. Kiwi Farms can host their website on any other platform and get any other service they want. No one is forced to service them. Let's not forget that they have been known to publicise private information of people that ended up with them…

> Cloudflare or any other privately owned company doesn't have an obligation to service everyone.

That's mostly true legally, but also irrelevant. We also have a right to criticize them for anything.

> They are not violating their free speech

They aren't violating the First Amendment, which is the legal concept. But what they are doing is corporate censorship, which is of course against the idea of allowing free expression.

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