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Post by pclmulqdq »

flumpcakes wrote: post #513
pclmulqdq wrote: post #472

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Many, many public schools in the US gave out COVID shots without parental consent. It also seems that several of them are encouraging kids to transition and hide it from their parents - a school in Alaska was recently sued for this.

In the UK vaccinations are not mandatory. However, medical professionals can force treatment (or refuse treatment) based on the medical needs of the child. I don't have a problem with this as some parents kill their child from neglect. I am also not a doctor. I can't really comment on the US. But thank you for the insight...

Also, if you are in the UK, you should note that "public schools" in the US are government-run schools. Our equivalent of your "public schools" are called "private schools" (EDIT: they are called "private schools" in the US only).

I think the solution of having the doctor manage this kind of thing is a lot better than what happens in the US.

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Post by agentdrtran »

Cyberdog wrote: post #530
ChicagoDave wrote: post #469

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I don't know the entire history here, but my understanding is that KF was a forum where doxing and swatting was openly pervasive. Sounds like a perfect example of society holding a site accountable and producing the correct outcome. There was no government involved, so it's not a "free speech" issue. I always talk about the wild west of the late 90's when the Internet was brand new. My colleagues and I all talked abo…

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> Doxxing, sometimes; swatting, no. Posting plans for any sort of real-life harassment on KF will get you mocked by other users and possibly banned.

then why does it happen all the time?

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Post by golf1052 »

jacooper wrote: post #429
stepupmakeup wrote: post #276

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Anything is possible at this point. Even the administrator of Kiwi Farms is expecting APNIC to revoke their /24, because the Twitter mob has been very vocal of who their next harassment targets are.

Has there even been a precedent of a domain being revoked for such a thing?

No it's never happened.

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Post by ajross »

irthomasthomas wrote: post #273

I didn't know about this site until yesterday. After reading the thread that got them took down, I know one thing, I will not be letting my children near discord. I mean, if this is how people act in public[0], I hate to imagine what kind of stuff they are doing in a private discord, away from parents prying eyes. There's no heroes in this story. [0] Bathtub hormones being sold to minors in bright packaging featuring…

> I know one thing, I will not be letting my children near discord.

You might consider being the kind of parent who a trans kid could talk to about their identity issues instead of trying to censor their access to content which they're going to see anyway. Are you aware of the horrifying suicide numbers among this group? Please don't be that kind of parent.

There are no heroes in any story. But in many cases in this field, it's the parents that are the worst villains.

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Post by fullstop »

zo1 wrote: post #480
fullstop wrote: post #383

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I am not asking for any of these people, specifically, to be removed from the internet. I am saying that I support cloudflare banning hosts which specifically target, harass, and doxx specific individuals or communities. I'm not supportive of banning Joshua Moon from the internet. Do you agree that there is a difference here?

This move and people's response to it is not about lines and principles. It's pretty much a slippery slope and we all know it; some cheer it on because this time their line was crossed, and others see it for what it's signaling. The overall erosion of discourse on non-accepted ideas and topics that are on the scale of mean/offensive/hateful. Yeah none of us here are happy about this site existing or innocent people b…

Would you be okay with a website which targeted you, specifically, tracked down your home, your employer, your family? One which encouraged others to do the same, filled your inbox with hateful messages?

One which hid behind Cloudflare in order to hide their identity while simultaneously exposing yours?

This is how KF started and continued to operate.

You have a line. I have a line. What is happening here is that we're trying to define a common line which works for society, and it is going to "slip" over time as views change.

In the past, that line would have included books which even mentioned homosexual behavior. Today that is more tolerated and accepted, which is good in my opinion because gay people certainly exist.

I guess what I'm saying is that the line is going to have to slip a bit, and in more than one direction.

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Post by pclmulqdq »

cauefcr wrote: post #389
ALittleLight wrote: post #263

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Even if that were true, and I think it's pretty doubtful to just attribute a suicide to some people who made fun of or harassed the deceased, it's a criminal or civil matter. If people on that forum committed a crime, let them face the legal penalties. Why should the website be made persona non grata by Internet companies? How many more are dead from activities on Facebook, Instagram, etc? Why is it that big business…

KF was made _for_ harassment, that's very different.

Facebook was made for sexual harassment. It was originally made so that Zucc and his friends could rate the girls at Harvard.

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Post by borski »

cauefcr wrote: post #389
ALittleLight wrote: post #263

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Even if that were true, and I think it's pretty doubtful to just attribute a suicide to some people who made fun of or harassed the deceased, it's a criminal or civil matter. If people on that forum committed a crime, let them face the legal penalties. Why should the website be made persona non grata by Internet companies? How many more are dead from activities on Facebook, Instagram, etc? Why is it that big business…

KF was made _for_ harassment, that's very different.

‘ratsmack: harassment was explicitly their stated goal from the very beginning. The very name is a play on the first person they decided to go after (and why the forum formed).

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Post by philippejara »

tedivm wrote: post #481
mikl wrote: post #453

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DDoS’ing is quite different from just turning your back on someone. It’s more akin to following someone around with a megaphone and shouting over everything they say so no one can hear them. Sure, you might celebrate when that’s done to someone you dislike, but a lot less appealing if you imagine it done to a cause you agree with.

You have no idea how ironic this comment is considering the history of Cloudflare. I remember going to a talk by their CEO at Defcon years ago when Scientology was being DDoSed and he was bragging about providing CDN services to the Anonymous hacker groups that were behind the DDoS. Cloudflare didn't seem to care about free speech for the Scientologists. There was even a huge discussion about whether performing a DDo…

Not everyone who disagrees with you is implicitly morally corrupt or a member of some interest grooup, I have no clue what switter is and i'm sure many others don't either, kiwifarms has been on the media for the entirety of the last week.

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Post by SoftTalker »

spoonjim wrote: post #362
hecatoncheires wrote: post #295

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Whoop tee doo. I've seen dozens of livestreamed murders on Instagram Live and Facebook Live. Reddit has /r/chiraqology where there are hundreds of videos of gang bangers and drill rappers beefing with each other and shooting at each other, and commenters celebrate the lifestyle and keep detailed ontologies of it all. Nobody is talking about nuking any of these platforms from existence just because of some isolated il…

The Chiraqology stuff is wild. People threaten each other on YouTube and then follow through with murder! The only reason it’s not banned is because nobody with power cares what happens to impoverished black kids in Chicago unless they can make money from it.

I think it's worse than that. They aren't banned precisely because people are making money from it.
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