I am really not surprised. They already bullied someone to death. https://www.reddit.com/r/Games/comments/o90ats/near_the_emul...
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#452Earlier quoted context omitted.
Did you ever watch 12 Angry Men ? There's a scene in that movie where an unabashedly racist man is making his point as loudly and angrily as he can. One by one, all the others in the room turn their backs on him. When only one man is left, that man has a short message for the racist: "Sit down, and don't open your mouth again while I'm here." Nobody puts him in jail. Nobody takes away his right to make a living or hi…
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Have you ever been on a jury? That’s pretty much exactly how it works, aside from the fact that overt racists usually don’t make it onto the panel.
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#453Kiwifarm's owner statement: https://web.archive.org/web/20220905182626/https://poa.st/no... This whole thing is kinda fascinating, if not extremely scary. After learning about the situation from the last couple threads here and going down the rabbit hole of sources, the future of the internet seems pretty sad... If cloudflare doesn't reinstate the website after dealing with said immediate danger they claimed was the…
Did you ever watch 12 Angry Men ? There's a scene in that movie where an unabashedly racist man is making his point as loudly and angrily as he can. One by one, all the others in the room turn their backs on him. When only one man is left, that man has a short message for the racist: "Sit down, and don't open your mouth again while I'm here." Nobody puts him in jail. Nobody takes away his right to make a living or hi…
DDoS’ing is quite different from just turning your back on someone. It’s more akin to following someone around with a megaphone and shouting over everything they say so no one can hear them.
Sure, you might celebrate when that’s done to someone you dislike, but a lot less appealing if you imagine it done to a cause you agree with.
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#454Kiwifarm's owner statement: https://web.archive.org/web/20220905182626/https://poa.st/no... This whole thing is kinda fascinating, if not extremely scary. After learning about the situation from the last couple threads here and going down the rabbit hole of sources, the future of the internet seems pretty sad... If cloudflare doesn't reinstate the website after dealing with said immediate danger they claimed was the…
> the future of the internet seems pretty sad... That’s frankly terrible. Sites infamous for promoting harassment can’t be hosted anymore. Clearly a tremendous loss for the internet. /s
This is not reddit, calm down on the snark and try to actually have a discussion if you're gonna go for it.
Its easy to say those things for someone you dislike, but zoom out and look at the implications, you have a campaign pretty much asking cloudflare to stand aside and allow them to do DDOS attacks on a website which apparently won several lawsuits against them already(ill dig up the sources a bit later on when I get home, sorry).
And that's before getting into what this "harassment" that is being reported by every journalist seems to actually be, or rather, the sources thereof. In the previous couple threads I tried to get a bit deeper into what those things actually were and i'm yet to get a straight answer with archives or something.
Maybe kiwifarms is all people say they are, but I've been part of a regional forum that was vilified for handwavy accusations from people that hated us and had said accusations get a life of their own, and were pretty much all fabrications or things blown out of context to the extreme, of course in an infinitely smaller scale, and of course you'll have to take my word for it. So I'll give them the benefit of the doubt.
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#455Earlier quoted context omitted.
I don’t think 4chan is next. I believe the site has staying power because its users are anonymous. Anonymity means it’s very difficult for leaders to emerge which means it’s difficult to rally behind a particular cause. This means it’s difficult for 4chan to grow in influence as an organized force. It’s just a steady state of low-level chaos, which is good for containment. I’m also quite confident that the FBI monito…
Speaking from personal experience, when a “bad” forum is shut down the members are not usually successful in spreading their toxicity into other areas. Sadly it sort of just dies.
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#456Cloudflare needs to stop terminating weird sites. Here's the Daily Stormer, which Cloudflare cut off some time back, and is now back.[1] It's not much worse than many other right-wing sites. Neo-Nazis have been around since the 1960s, and they've mostly been a joke. As a kid, I walked past the HQ of the American Nazi Party, a small house in Arlington, VA, with a large "White Man Fight - Smash the Black Revolution Now" sign. Nobody was very upset about it.
Some of the militia and gun sites are much scarier. Look at some of the sites referenced at Accelerationism in Wikipedia.[2]
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I'm a free speech advocate but 100% agree with you. Our legislators needs to make laws against targeted, anonymous, non-journalistic doxxing. It needs to include clauses that escalate the severity when revenge porn or racial, sexual, or other discrimination is being incited. If this bullying results in suicide, that should also increase the severity of the crime. Until these laws exist, prosecutors need to use this a…
Non-journalistic doxxing? What makes doxxing someone journalistic and why is it okay when a journalist does it?
Journalists are the guardians of democracy.
Now be a good boy or else CNN might release your name and address: https://www.engadget.com/2017-07-05-cnn-will-expose-reddit-u...
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#458Earlier quoted context omitted.
> But freedom of speech/expression/opinions aren't about defending those who speech/expression/opinions you like but all of them. The fallacy of tolerance. This isn’t about supporting or not supporting a certain ideology, it’s about perpetuating real world violence. I don’t know and don’t care if kiwifarms is “liberal” or “conservative”. What I do know is they’re terrorizing and perpetuating violence upon people in t…
>This isn’t about supporting or not supporting a certain ideology, it’s about perpetuating real world violence. It's about not shutting down speech via a pretextual appeal to its causal nexus to violence. Censorship based on "stochastic terrorism" claims are almost always demanded in an extremely ideological fashion.
What they wish to do is cut the head off the proverbial snake when the snake hasn't committed a crime or directly conspired with people who did commit a crime. It might be an effective strategy, but it's not one our laws allow, because we don't base guilt on "but-for" causation alone. Nor do we base it on that icky feeling we get when we look at the proverbial snake.
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#459I didn't know about this site until yesterday. After reading the thread that got them took down, I know one thing, I will not be letting my children near discord. I mean, if this is how people act in public[0], I hate to imagine what kind of stuff they are doing in a private discord, away from parents prying eyes. There's no heroes in this story. [0] Bathtub hormones being sold to minors in bright packaging featuring…
> I didn't know about this site until yesterday. It's interesting that your takeaway in light of this knowledge is a strategy that totally misses keeping your children away from the forum responsible for three suicides [0]. [0] - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kiwi_Farms#Suicides_of_harassm...
Missing the point entirely. That forum was public. The discord servers, where unknown adults are advising teenagers on sexuality and DIY hormone therapy is private.
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#460Kiwifarm's owner statement: https://web.archive.org/web/20220905182626/https://poa.st/no... This whole thing is kinda fascinating, if not extremely scary. After learning about the situation from the last couple threads here and going down the rabbit hole of sources, the future of the internet seems pretty sad... If cloudflare doesn't reinstate the website after dealing with said immediate danger they claimed was the…
> the future of the internet seems pretty sad... That’s frankly terrible. Sites infamous for promoting harassment can’t be hosted anymore. Clearly a tremendous loss for the internet. /s
The average person is much, much more likely to get fired because of a Twitter mob than a Kiwi Farms mob. Twitter users got David Shor fired because he said riots often cause political blowback; Emmanuel Cafferty because someone saw him make an OK sign and got a Twitter mob riled up. Both stories here[1].
We can argue about the merits of free speech vs. the merits of cutting off all sites that enable harassment. But this isn't where we're at. At the moment, we're in a situation where sites that create some of the largest amounts of harassment are allowed to continue on just fine, while smaller sites are taken down after successful social media campaigns.
This isn't a principled stance against harassment that's evenly applied. It's selective enforcement directed by whoever has the largest online mob.
[1] https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2020/06/stop-firin...