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Re: Kiwi Farms is down across all domains as DDoS-Guard terminates service

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Post by tomjen3 » Mon, Sep 05, 2022, 6:32 PM UTC

weare138 wrote: post #215

that_guy_iain wrote: post #45

The thing is, it's hard to feel bad for kiwifarms. They seem to be one of the worst sites there are. But freedom of speech/expression/opinions aren't about defending those who speech/expression/opinions you like but all of them. Personally, I think the site being shutdown is a good thing. But it's hard to look at the fact a few corporations can remove a website from the internet and think this is good for a free and…

3 people are dead because of that site. What they were doing was a crime. Criminal activity is not is not protected free speech. That's like arguing carding and SIM swapping sites are just expressing their right to free speech and should be protected.

If they have killed them, they shouldn't be kicked of the internet. They should be charged with the appropriate charge and go to prison if found guilty.

Re: Kiwi Farms is down across all domains as DDoS-Guard terminates service

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Post by objclxt » Mon, Sep 05, 2022, 6:32 PM UTC

antiufo wrote: post #290

irthomasthomas wrote: post #273

I didn't know about this site until yesterday. After reading the thread that got them took down, I know one thing, I will not be letting my children near discord. I mean, if this is how people act in public[0], I hate to imagine what kind of stuff they are doing in a private discord, away from parents prying eyes. There's no heroes in this story. [0] Bathtub hormones being sold to minors in bright packaging featuring…

Trans woman here, both 1) access to HRT for minors and 2) HRT without medical/parental gatekeeping are widely supported positions in the trans community (which I also endorse). Rationale for 1. It's widely supported by the medical community and by scientific studies, and helps improve the quality of life of people with gender dysphoria. Rationale for 2. Gatekeeping traditionally consist in telling a psychiatrist anec…

> HRT without medical/parental gatekeeping are widely supported positions in the trans community

It's a widely supported position of the trans community that minors should have access to home-made HRT without any quality control or regulation?

Because honestly, I feel like if you're taking hormone replacement therapy you want some kind of guarantee of quality.

Re: Kiwi Farms is down across all domains as DDoS-Guard terminates service

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Post by ALittleLight » Mon, Sep 05, 2022, 6:33 PM UTC

echelon wrote: post #280

weare138 wrote: post #215

Earlier quoted context omitted.

3 people are dead because of that site. What they were doing was a crime. Criminal activity is not is not protected free speech. That's like arguing carding and SIM swapping sites are just expressing their right to free speech and should be protected.

I'm a free speech advocate but 100% agree with you. Our legislators needs to make laws against targeted, anonymous, non-journalistic doxxing. It needs to include clauses that escalate the severity when revenge porn or racial, sexual, or other discrimination is being incited. If this bullying results in suicide, that should also increase the severity of the crime. Until these laws exist, prosecutors need to use this a…

Non-journalistic doxxing? What makes doxxing someone journalistic and why is it okay when a journalist does it?

Re: Kiwi Farms is down across all domains as DDoS-Guard terminates service

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Post by [deleted] » Mon, Sep 05, 2022, 6:33 PM UTC

weare138 wrote: post #215

that_guy_iain wrote: post #45

The thing is, it's hard to feel bad for kiwifarms. They seem to be one of the worst sites there are. But freedom of speech/expression/opinions aren't about defending those who speech/expression/opinions you like but all of them. Personally, I think the site being shutdown is a good thing. But it's hard to look at the fact a few corporations can remove a website from the internet and think this is good for a free and…

3 people are dead because of that site. What they were doing was a crime. Criminal activity is not is not protected free speech. That's like arguing carding and SIM swapping sites are just expressing their right to free speech and should be protected.

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Re: Kiwi Farms is down across all domains as DDoS-Guard terminates service

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Post by xboxnolifes » Mon, Sep 05, 2022, 6:33 PM UTC

maccam912 wrote: post #22

Something I'm curious about in this whole thing: who is DDoSing kiwifarms? Most people find their content reprehensible but does that usually translate into people DDoSing something?

People DDoS everything. Every public video game server, random forums, home IPs of opponents in League of Legends matches, etc.

It takes literally one disgruntled person to pay $5 to take down most IPs that don't have DDoS protection. Sometimes a free booter is enough.

Re: Kiwi Farms is down across all domains as DDoS-Guard terminates service

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Post by TOMDM » Mon, Sep 05, 2022, 6:33 PM UTC

weare138 wrote: post #215

that_guy_iain wrote: post #45

The thing is, it's hard to feel bad for kiwifarms. They seem to be one of the worst sites there are. But freedom of speech/expression/opinions aren't about defending those who speech/expression/opinions you like but all of them. Personally, I think the site being shutdown is a good thing. But it's hard to look at the fact a few corporations can remove a website from the internet and think this is good for a free and…

3 people are dead because of that site. What they were doing was a crime. Criminal activity is not is not protected free speech. That's like arguing carding and SIM swapping sites are just expressing their right to free speech and should be protected.

How are three people dead because of KF?

Not concern trolling, a google search only turned up a kiwifarms thread that _could_ have been relevant, but is now obviously inaccessable.

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Post by bluejekyll » Mon, Sep 05, 2022, 6:33 PM UTC

latchkey wrote: post #298

irthomasthomas wrote: post #273

I didn't know about this site until yesterday. After reading the thread that got them took down, I know one thing, I will not be letting my children near discord. I mean, if this is how people act in public[0], I hate to imagine what kind of stuff they are doing in a private discord, away from parents prying eyes. There's no heroes in this story. [0] Bathtub hormones being sold to minors in bright packaging featuring…

> I will not be letting my children near discord. Isn't this kind of a whack-a-mole approach to things? The internet is full of hazards... are you going to ban everything that comes up?

This may not be perfect, but I have regular conversations with my kids about what they do online. With Discord in particular, we have a rule that they are only allowed to be on discord servers where they know everyone IRL.

They use Discord to figure out what other things they’re going to do either in person or in an online game. So this rule hasn’t been hard to follow for them.

Re: Kiwi Farms is down across all domains as DDoS-Guard terminates service

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Post by good-point-sir » Mon, Sep 05, 2022, 6:34 PM UTC

antiufo wrote: post #290

irthomasthomas wrote: post #273

I didn't know about this site until yesterday. After reading the thread that got them took down, I know one thing, I will not be letting my children near discord. I mean, if this is how people act in public[0], I hate to imagine what kind of stuff they are doing in a private discord, away from parents prying eyes. There's no heroes in this story. [0] Bathtub hormones being sold to minors in bright packaging featuring…

Trans woman here, both 1) access to HRT for minors and 2) HRT without medical/parental gatekeeping are widely supported positions in the trans community (which I also endorse). Rationale for 1. It's widely supported by the medical community and by scientific studies, and helps improve the quality of life of people with gender dysphoria. Rationale for 2. Gatekeeping traditionally consist in telling a psychiatrist anec…

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Re: Kiwi Farms is down across all domains as DDoS-Guard terminates service

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Post by latchkey » Mon, Sep 05, 2022, 6:35 PM UTC

bioemerl wrote: post #317

latchkey wrote: post #314

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> The correct answer I'm not a parent, so I didn't want to say that, but it is certainly what I was thinking. =)

To be fair I'm not a parent either, maybe this just won't work. But I was also a kid, and I know that if I was barred from doing something I would 100% go behind my parents back and do it anyway, so that's not going to work. You have to try something else.

Agreed 100%.

That said, my parents always told me that if I wanted to try drugs (like weed), let them buy it for me so that they could at least know I was getting good stuff.

Honestly, that just made it more awkward... but it did instill in me that I should at least make sure that I was not just taking random shitty drugs. It also made me wait until I could find stuff I could trust before trying it.

Re: Kiwi Farms is down across all domains as DDoS-Guard terminates service

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Post by ALittleLight » Mon, Sep 05, 2022, 6:36 PM UTC

Zamaamiro wrote: post #184

concordDance wrote: post #133

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think you're being gullible here. Look at what was actually on that site and the many others that have been shut down rather than relying on reports from their enemies (oh wait, the whole point is to make it so you can't do this). When this hit Hacker news I actually went onto kiwifarms to find out what it was like because I suspected it would be killed soon. The descriptions given by most hackernews commentators d…

“We’ll I didn’t see anything” is a terribly unscientific methodology.

Better than "someone said this is true".