De-platforming works.
This ability to "deplatform" is also what allows fascist nations to exist and keeps Putin in power today in Russia.
Kiwi Farms is down across all domains as DDoS-Guard terminates service
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#282Earlier quoted context omitted.
Well, seeing as this thread is about a website losing their DDoS protection, it would be whichever criminal mob that the DDoS protection was defending against.
This is just the marketplace of ideas in action. If KF wants to succeed, they can just have better ideas.
Might (in DDOS power) makes right is pretty far from a free market.
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#283They should consider building their own DDOS protection. I've heard thats pretty simple and something website owners should be expected to do on their own. After all, it's not like most website owners rally behind like one or two giant services to mitigate the issue of DDOS against their sites. I for one never voted to have CF and DDoS-Guard as censors of the internet.
>I for one never voted to have CF and DDoS-Guard as censors of the internet.
Great, they aren't. There are hundreds of other providers to choose from.
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#284Earlier quoted context omitted.
3 people are dead because of that site. What they were doing was a crime. Criminal activity is not is not protected free speech. That's like arguing carding and SIM swapping sites are just expressing their right to free speech and should be protected.
This information is hard to believe. How is a forum is responsible? Seriously, has someone hired a hitman or what?
I happened to see someone else post KF's response while it was protected by DDoS guard and read it.
Their story, which doesn't seem to appear in the responses in that Twitter thread, was that a 2 year old account that only posted once previously in its history suddenly activated, posted a picture of someone holding a threatening letter of some type outside of someone's home, then this was screencapped on Twitter a short time later (~15 minutes). The post was removed 2 minutes after it hit Twitter by the submitter (they originally thought their mods did it, but corrected this, saying it was removed with the note "retarded").
I don't ever read that site other than to look at stuff like this when it hits the news, so I don't claim to know anything more than that, but you were for a time able to look at the forum threads and see the posts they mentioned, etc.
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#285Earlier quoted context omitted.
Kevin has been hammering on them for many days now, and for good reason. Everyone has a different line in the sand. For me, a platform designed to promote hate speech crosses that line.
Great, my line is people like you. Please disconnect from the internet. See the problem?
This is nimby logic. It’s indirect. There is clear damage caused by kiwi farms. I don’t care if we can come up with a philosophically coherent rule that captures kiwi farms and not other websites, it is still good that they are banned.
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#286I didn't know about this site until yesterday. After reading the thread that got them took down, I know one thing, I will not be letting my children near discord. I mean, if this is how people act in public[0], I hate to imagine what kind of stuff they are doing in a private discord, away from parents prying eyes. There's no heroes in this story. [0] Bathtub hormones being sold to minors in bright packaging featuring…
From the threads I have seen, these are generally the type of people they make threads out of.
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#287Earlier quoted context omitted.
Their freedom of speech isn't being denied is it? Their right to a peaceful life is being infridged but not their freedom of speech.
By this logic, there is no way you can deny someone their freedom of speech. What is the difference between someone putting you on death row for speaking out against the government versus publishing your information so that angry randos can do the same? Is the only problem with government censorship that their violence is somehow "special" and worse than other forms of violence?
You seem to have misunderstood the logic.
I'm not an expert in KiwiFarms, but I think the difference between the goverment putting you to death and what KiwiFarms does is they don't put you to death. My understanding is they basically talk shit about people and talk to each other about how to let the person they dislike know how much they dislike them. It's a nasty and horrible version of protesting.
Say you dislike Donald Trump and you want to talk shit about Donald Trump and you want to organise a protest againist Donald Trump, you want to hurt his interests by organising a boycott of his companies, or say random things like you wish he was blown up, etc. This would be roughly the same as what I understand KiwiFarms do. Big difference is, KiwiFarms do this to random people for no other reason that for laughs from people they call lolcows.
These are trolls. Nasty horrible people. However, my understanding is they don't put people to death or even commit acts of violence. They are the internet version of the Phelps family.
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#288Earlier quoted context omitted.
Speak for yourself. Speech is ingrained in American culture on both aisles of the political spectrum until last 5-10 years. It’s way beyond 1st amendment and the technicalities of Government limits. ACLU used to defend KKK’s right to march and express. Liberals used to be extremely pro free speech even reaching across the spectrum in the bowels of right-wing extremism to protect their rights. The fact of the matter i…
> Speech is ingrained in American culture on both aisles of the political spectrum until last 5-10 years. Death threats, fraud, harassment, libel, and other harmful forms of speech have had legal consequences for much longer than that.
This has been said many times in all of these threads, but the operator of the site has always been very clear that he will comply with all legal subpoenas he is served. He condemns death threats and really anything that isn’t just pointing and laughing.
The reason this is a big deal to some is because there was no legal procedure at all. If the site was so obviously guilty as some are claiming, why hasn’t anything been done about it?
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#289Freedom of speech doesn't mean freedom from consequences. Good to see it.
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#290I didn't know about this site until yesterday. After reading the thread that got them took down, I know one thing, I will not be letting my children near discord. I mean, if this is how people act in public[0], I hate to imagine what kind of stuff they are doing in a private discord, away from parents prying eyes. There's no heroes in this story. [0] Bathtub hormones being sold to minors in bright packaging featuring…
Trans woman here, both 1) access to HRT for minors and 2) HRT without medical/parental gatekeeping are widely supported positions in the trans community (which I also endorse).
Rationale for 1. It's widely supported by the medical community and by scientific studies, and helps improve the quality of life of people with gender dysphoria.
Rationale for 2. Gatekeeping traditionally consist in telling a psychiatrist anecdotal personal stories about your gender expressions and behaviors. Some psychiatrist hold sexist attitudes, and can prolong your gatekeeping or refuse treatment if you don't tell them a nice tradwife story (always known, only attracted to boys (if MtF) or girls (if FtM), always played with [gendered toy]).
This even has the opposite effect of not wanting to talk with them about genuine doubts, since they can deny you HRT if they don't like your adherence to sex stereotypes.
In the end the trans person themself is more qualified to know whether they would like their bodies to be more masculine or feminine.
(EDIT: added rationales)