I like the idea, but I'd rather an ICE conversion with a real drivetrain and transmission and an EV motor. I'll build it myself if no manufacturers will.
Toyota patents plans for EV with manual transmission and clutch
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Re: Toyota patents plans for EV with manual transmission and clutch
#42It is not the first time when product simulates imperfections of the past technology to make product more authentic in customers eyes. Film color,lenses defects, lots of "analog" audio effects and now cars.
"View Source" on modern web browsers, Rust's "unsafe," human logins for HN's GPT-3 sandbox... it's like we're addicted to the past.
Union protectionism and crony capitalism at its best if you ask me, YMMV.
Re: Toyota patents plans for EV with manual transmission and clutch
#43I can't decide whether this is dumber than Dodge making a huge deal about how their new EV Dodge Charger (car not car-charger, oh my god, what a branding screw up) makes authentic loud V8 noises, but they're definitely both stupid. Can we just fast forward to the future where EVs glide around silently and people look both ways before crossing the road?
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Re: Toyota patents plans for EV with manual transmission and clutch
#44I can't decide whether this is dumber than Dodge making a huge deal about how their new EV Dodge Charger (car not car-charger, oh my god, what a branding screw up) makes authentic loud V8 noises, but they're definitely both stupid. Can we just fast forward to the future where EVs glide around silently and people look both ways before crossing the road?
In the future pedestrians are first class citizens, and the cars refuse to run over them.
Re: Toyota patents plans for EV with manual transmission and clutch
#45I can't decide whether this is dumber than Dodge making a huge deal about how their new EV Dodge Charger (car not car-charger, oh my god, what a branding screw up) makes authentic loud V8 noises, but they're definitely both stupid. Can we just fast forward to the future where EVs glide around silently and people look both ways before crossing the road?
I wish EVs were actually silent. In reality they are just as loud as a normal ICE vehicle above 20mph/30kph. The reason for this are the tires which have gotten so wide over the past decades that they are now the sole noise you hear from a normal car.
You should hear the folks that gun it a couple streets over with their modded mufflers at 2am in my neighborhood.
Re: Toyota patents plans for EV with manual transmission and clutch
#46I can't decide whether this is dumber than Dodge making a huge deal about how their new EV Dodge Charger (car not car-charger, oh my god, what a branding screw up) makes authentic loud V8 noises, but they're definitely both stupid. Can we just fast forward to the future where EVs glide around silently and people look both ways before crossing the road?
> Can we just fast forward to the future where EVs glide around silently and people look both ways before crossing the road?
Getting rid of 50% of your car detecting senses doesn't seem like a good idea
Re: Toyota patents plans for EV with manual transmission and clutch
#47That already exists - in China . They made a vehicle like this for driving lessons - so you can pass your test in a "manual" vehicle.
I wonder if it simulates the juddery stall when you stop in gear...
Re: Toyota patents plans for EV with manual transmission and clutch
#48I can't decide whether this is dumber than Dodge making a huge deal about how their new EV Dodge Charger (car not car-charger, oh my god, what a branding screw up) makes authentic loud V8 noises, but they're definitely both stupid. Can we just fast forward to the future where EVs glide around silently and people look both ways before crossing the road?
It's not all about pedestrians. Take Harley Davidson motorcycles for example. The sound is the brand. It's what people buy (into). Not saying that's right or wrong. Only that it's not strictly a pedestrian thing. Since in EVs it's more or less simulated, it would make since to have more than one setting and one of those to be off. p.s. The Dodge Charger has been ine of Dodge's most successful model. Gazillions of rec…
> It's not all about pedestrians.
> and one of those to be off.
It definitely is, Europe wouldn't pass a law mandating slow speed EV artificial noise if it was just a matter of branding
Re: Toyota patents plans for EV with manual transmission and clutch
#49It is not the first time when product simulates imperfections of the past technology to make product more authentic in customers eyes. Film color,lenses defects, lots of "analog" audio effects and now cars.
On a sidenote, here's a controversial opinion - electrically-powered analog clocks are silly and we should discontinue making them.
As someone with zero sense of time, analog clocks let me use my spatial reasoning to reason about time. I am much more aware of how much time I'm spending on something with an analog clock
Re: Toyota patents plans for EV with manual transmission and clutch
#50I can't decide whether this is dumber than Dodge making a huge deal about how their new EV Dodge Charger (car not car-charger, oh my god, what a branding screw up) makes authentic loud V8 noises, but they're definitely both stupid. Can we just fast forward to the future where EVs glide around silently and people look both ways before crossing the road?
> Can we just fast forward to the future where EVs glide around silently and people look both ways before crossing the road? Getting rid of 50% of your car detecting senses doesn't seem like a good idea
Or imagine if you're blind. Trying to listen for tire noise.