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Post by pjc50 »

flumpcakes wrote: post #46
Borgz wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Maybe if they decide to become platforms exclusively dedicated to harrassment, stop prohibiting and removing that type of content, and actively encourage it. Until then, it doesn't seem likely.

I've browsed through kiwifarms and they seem to say horrible stuff about people but in my sample I haven't seen anyone directing action against someone. It was a good source of information that was omitted from the press regarding a recent case in the UK about terminal medical care. I saw some nasty comments about the person, but in the few hundred forum pages no calls to action or threats made against the people. Is…

> It was a good source of information that was omitted from the press regarding a recent case in the UK about terminal medical care

Was this information omitted because it was false or libelous, perhaps? How did you verify it was actually true?

Re: Kiwi Farms is down across all domains as DDoS-Guard terminates service

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Post by Borgz »

ad404b8a372f2b9 wrote: post #63
Borgz wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Maybe if they decide to become platforms exclusively dedicated to harrassment, stop prohibiting and removing that type of content, and actively encourage it. Until then, it doesn't seem likely.

I don't think that's coherent. Twitter for example has been the host of many many harassment campaigns which are propped up by its algorithms, it also hosts videos of murder, decapitations and other gruesome crimes. There are also regular death threats, doxxings and hate speech on twitter which are tolerated. Conversely, KiwiFarms has been actively prohibiting and removing threats and posts that are considered illega…

Do you believe that KiwiFarms is making a good faith effort to remove objectionable content to the same extent that mainstream social media platforms are? I think it's pretty clear that they're not, simply based on the prevalence of that content on KiwiFarms, and the relative lack of it elsewhere.

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Post by squabbles »

viraptor wrote: post #61
_dain_ wrote: post #48

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Mhmm... They have nothing to do with that behaviour. wink They're just joking about the self harm and suicide. wink The swatting of the discussed people is a completely unrelated coincidence. wink wink It's a terrible art people master. It's like the worst hateful accounts on twitter which are extremely clean - you couldn't report a single tweet, yet we know exactly what they mean. Of course this account for explicit…

You people have built up a whole fantasy about the KiwiFarms... And its obvious when someone SWATs a person like Marjorie Taylor Greene claiming theyre from the KiwiFarms, that it's a false flag. The events CloudFlare refernces that show the site was a danger were a post from 4chan pretending to be a KiwiFarms user, and a post made a user that had previously only posted once in 2020, and then got banned 14 minutes (with 7 reports) after making threatening posts in the keffals thread, plainly another false flag trying to make the site look bad while there is a smear campaign against it. People attack and lie about the KiwiFarms because it hosts embarrassing information about them.

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Post by armitron »

that_guy_iain wrote: post #45

The thing is, it's hard to feel bad for kiwifarms. They seem to be one of the worst sites there are. But freedom of speech/expression/opinions aren't about defending those who speech/expression/opinions you like but all of them. Personally, I think the site being shutdown is a good thing. But it's hard to look at the fact a few corporations can remove a website from the internet and think this is good for a free and…

It's not hard to feel bad for anyone getting censored/booted off the Internet. I see that "Gossithedog" lives in England, which - I reckon - makes it impossible for him to understand the value of free speech. The US is one of few countries on the planet where "freedom of speech" is a protected right (a list that doesn't include England).

We're collectively worse off when the pitchforks come out and the mob allowed to erode our hard-earned freedoms. It doesn't matter if it's Kiwi Farms or someone else, capitulating to the demands of the mob is a slippery slope that doesn't lead to progress.

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Post by thinkingemote »

flumpcakes wrote: post #75
prvit wrote: post #72

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How is 4chan worse? They rapidly take down any CSAM and anything that vaguely resembles a raid. Most KF threads wouldn't survive on today's 4chan for even an hour. This 12 years old comment describes the situation in 2010 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=1947648 , although neglects to mention that things were this way due to strict moderation on 4chan.

I, personally, have seen much worse on 4chan than I have on Kiwifarms. If I read the Cloudflare blog post and didn't know which site it was referring to I would have put 95% of my money on it being 4chan over Kiwifarms. I am not an omnipotent arbiter of what is bad or worse, this is my own subjective opinion. I just haven't seen anything on Kiwifarms that would call for such a response. It made it seem like we were h…

I've read that 4chan works proactively with law enforcement, regularly notifying them as soon as possible. They don't have a "wait for a warrant" policy that neutral providers claim, they will eagerly submit and support LEOs. This might be why it has survived so long.

The common idea about the forum is that there is no moderation, but the truth is that the moderation is invisible. (The content is beyond the pale, and I don't support it which used to be needless to say)

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Post by nemo44x »

arcatech wrote: post #62
nemo44x wrote: post #52

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What is hate speech? Was Charlie Hebdo hate speech? Rushdie? A lot of people certainly think so. I see hate speech across nearly every internet platform including this one. There’s no shortage of hate speech against wealthy people or white men, etc. Is that allowed?

The person you’re responding to said “designed to promote hate speech”. Your examples don’t sound like that.

What does that mean? That the forum operator doesn’t have moderation facilities that suits your tastes in what is and is not hate speech?

A forum dedicated to the principal and culture of free speech is designed to promote hate speech?

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Post by davidro80 »

flumpcakes wrote: post #56

I personally have never seen any content on Kiwifarms that would lead to statements as we saw the other day from Cloudflare. It is a place where people say some horrible stuff, but I think 4chan is worse (including CSAM) and they are protected by Cloudflare as far as I know. I don't know much about the people who post there, other than that they say some nasty things. I have also seen such content on Facebook and Twi…

CSAM on 4chan hasn’t been a thing for a decade. Shit 4chan even has a secret archive to help glowies find out who posted CP.

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Post by viraptor »

_dain_ wrote: post #77
viraptor wrote: post #61

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Mhmm... They have nothing to do with that behaviour. wink They're just joking about the self harm and suicide. wink The swatting of the discussed people is a completely unrelated coincidence. wink wink It's a terrible art people master. It's like the worst hateful accounts on twitter which are extremely clean - you couldn't report a single tweet, yet we know exactly what they mean. Of course this account for explicit…

>The swatting of the discussed people is a completely unrelated coincidence. yeah, because it's so difficult to just SWAT someone and claim you're someone you're not? The MTG swatter literally used text-to-speech and said roughly "I'm from Kiwifarms and this is my username: ...". why would anyone go to the trouble of disguising their voice only to tell police who they really are? Null made it very clear that he coope…

You're choosing one obvious hoax and ignoring piles of reports, from a large number of people, going back years with recurring issues that coincide with kf postings. It's not even worth linking - they're trivial to find on twitter for anyone interested.

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Post by r721 »

philliphaydon wrote: post #14

Wonder how long it will be before it’s back online or if the owner will throw in the towel.

Further in the OP thread there is a screenshot of owner's statement:

https://twitter.com/GossiTheDog/status/1566746606396997635

He says he has a "family emergency" and will be unavailable for a "week or more".

Re: Kiwi Farms is down across all domains as DDoS-Guard terminates service

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Post by prvit »

heartbeats wrote: post #80
prvit wrote: post #74

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Complete nonsense. You can easily DoS a specific service by flooding it with rendezvous requests.

That's far from "easy" - if it were so simple, people would be able to extort big money from drug markets for doing it.

People are extorting big money from drug markets doing this...

It's very easy, anyone with basic grasp of C can modify the Tor client to do this.

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