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Private Jets to Ibiza, Paris Surge as Rich Evade Travel Chaos

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Re: Private Jets to Ibiza, Paris Surge as Rich Evade Travel Chaos

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I wonder how many of these people using private jets attend Davos, make commitments to net zero, invest using ESG as a reference point, sea front housing etc. I'll take it seriously when they do.

They bought sea-front property because they're convinced that they have enough power to turn the rest of the world into car-less vegans, packed into tiny apartments in crime-ridden mega-cities, living mostly in the metaverse - all while they preserve their own luxurious lifestyles.

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#52
post #19

I wonder how many of these people using private jets attend Davos, make commitments to net zero, invest using ESG as a reference point, sea front housing etc. I'll take it seriously when they do.

They bought sea-front property because they're convinced that they have enough power to turn the rest of the world into car-less vegans, packed into tiny apartments in crime-ridden mega-cities, living mostly in the metaverse - all while they preserve their own luxurious lifestyles.

You'll own nothing and you'll be happy.

Re: Private Jets to Ibiza, Paris Surge as Rich Evade Travel Chaos

#53

I'm generally not in favor of violence but it's probably worthwhile for the very rich to remember that it's an option when they get more "win more" mechanics and successfully block the "catch up" mechanics in society. These apparent 'victories' for the rich prevent the gradual release of "pressure" and sets up the system to explosively pop. The "I deserve this" ideology is a great danger to the super-wealthy because…

You'd have to square this against the significant wealth of those who are best able to revolt, ie., all of us. The historical standard of "wealth" for revolution was basically "none". Once you hit mass starvation, you're there. Violent revolutions are conducted either by the court (of the king) who use the desperation of the very poor; or by envious almost-wealthies likewise able to rabble-rouse the very poor. The pr…

I'm not a historian, let alone of revolutions. I've heard it said too that starvation is the only thing that really causes a revolt - and yet I know of at least one counter-example, the American Revolution. That revolution happened because the King would neither address the needs of the colonists nor allow them to address their own needs, and felt his position was so dominant that the colonists had no choice but to accept his rebuke. Perhaps if the King had been more considerate of the colonists' needs there would have been no revolution, and England could have traded away a small fraction of control to retain an enormous chunk of empire. I think the parallels to the modern situation are clear.

Re: Private Jets to Ibiza, Paris Surge as Rich Evade Travel Chaos

#54

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You'd have to square this against the significant wealth of those who are best able to revolt, ie., all of us. The historical standard of "wealth" for revolution was basically "none". Once you hit mass starvation, you're there. Violent revolutions are conducted either by the court (of the king) who use the desperation of the very poor; or by envious almost-wealthies likewise able to rabble-rouse the very poor. The pr…

I'm not a historian, let alone of revolutions. I've heard it said too that starvation is the only thing that really causes a revolt - and yet I know of at least one counter-example, the American Revolution. That revolution happened because the King would neither address the needs of the colonists nor allow them to address their own needs, and felt his position was so dominant that the colonists had no choice but to a…

>That revolution happened because the King would neither address the needs of the colonists nor allow them to address their own needs, and felt his position was so dominant that the colonists had no choice but to accept his rebuke.

The elite landowning gentry unhappy with British taxation, not the colonists per se, most of whom were quite happy to remain British or were undecided on the matter. Popular support came later by means of effective propaganda, such as Thomas Paine's "Common Sense," not grassroots sentiment.

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#55
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I wonder how many of these people using private jets attend Davos, make commitments to net zero, invest using ESG as a reference point, sea front housing etc. I'll take it seriously when they do.

They bought sea-front property because they're convinced that they have enough power to turn the rest of the world into car-less vegans, packed into tiny apartments in crime-ridden mega-cities, living mostly in the metaverse - all while they preserve their own luxurious lifestyles.

The buy sea front properties because they can, they have so much money that doesn’t matter what happens with sea level in ten years, they just want to enjoy those houses today.

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#56

The rich will flee to Hawaii and NZ, etc. meanwhile we suffer the consequences of their decisions with electricity and natural gas shortages, hyper-inflation and rising interest rates. The government should bring in capital controls and seize their accounts and capital. Let them try to survive when they can't leech off the working class.

“The government” enables this behavior. Excuse me if I don’t trust this “government” to solve any of these problems it created.

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#57

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I have no numbers to back this up, but intuitively I'd put my money on 30m Wifi-Routers in France running a third of the year while nobody is home not having a larger impact than the 270 private jets being used.

And you have just lost a bunch of money! Assuming your router uses about 10 watts, that's 86kWh per router, per year. 30m routers makes this 2 580 000 000 kWh. At a current, extremely awful 116g CO2/kWh in France, that's 299 280 tonnes of CO2 per year. A single private jet is 2 tons of CO2 per hour, so your 270 private jets only need to fly 554 hours per year to be just as bad. The current average is 448 hours per ye…

I have no numbers to back this up, but intuitively I'd put my money on less than 448 hours per year average, do you have any source on this?

Re: Private Jets to Ibiza, Paris Surge as Rich Evade Travel Chaos

#58

The rich will flee to Hawaii and NZ, etc. meanwhile we suffer the consequences of their decisions with electricity and natural gas shortages, hyper-inflation and rising interest rates. The government should bring in capital controls and seize their accounts and capital. Let them try to survive when they can't leech off the working class.

“The government” enables this behavior. Excuse me if I don’t trust this “government” to solve any of these problems it created.

Looks like you're left having to trust the super rich to solve it then. They called from their super yacht after flying on a private jet from their 4th 10,000 ft^2 fully air conditioned summer home and said they got this and not to worry.

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#59

I'm generally not in favor of violence but it's probably worthwhile for the very rich to remember that it's an option when they get more "win more" mechanics and successfully block the "catch up" mechanics in society. These apparent 'victories' for the rich prevent the gradual release of "pressure" and sets up the system to explosively pop. The "I deserve this" ideology is a great danger to the super-wealthy because…

You'd have to square this against the significant wealth of those who are best able to revolt, ie., all of us. The historical standard of "wealth" for revolution was basically "none". Once you hit mass starvation, you're there. Violent revolutions are conducted either by the court (of the king) who use the desperation of the very poor; or by envious almost-wealthies likewise able to rabble-rouse the very poor. The pr…

This reminds me of a friend's observation: that here in Finland (a "welfare state") you do not see a lot of police out. My friend's theory was that social services forestall social desperation, keeping the crime rate lower. An insurmountable income-floor on criminality.

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#60

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And you have just lost a bunch of money! Assuming your router uses about 10 watts, that's 86kWh per router, per year. 30m routers makes this 2 580 000 000 kWh. At a current, extremely awful 116g CO2/kWh in France, that's 299 280 tonnes of CO2 per year. A single private jet is 2 tons of CO2 per hour, so your 270 private jets only need to fly 554 hours per year to be just as bad. The current average is 448 hours per ye…

I have no numbers to back this up, but intuitively I'd put my money on less than 448 hours per year average, do you have any source on this?

First half of 2022 sees over 700 000 hours of flight from Part 135 jets (read: private jets). https://privatejetcardcomparisons.com/2022/08/03/argus-expec...

My 448 hours comes from the Top 20 of private charter operators, with a relatively old source. The average went up as the amount of private jetting went way up (more than doubled) (https://privatejetcardcomparisons.com/2017/07/11/how-many-ho...). Sure, take the 21 000 private jets in the world and say the average is only 60 if you'd like. The average isn't what matters. And hell, even with 60 average, that's 120 tons of CO2 per jet, per year. 25 people worth of yearly emissions, for a single plane. I promise you, there is nothing these planes do that it worth that.

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