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Private Jets to Ibiza, Paris Surge as Rich Evade Travel Chaos

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Re: Private Jets to Ibiza, Paris Surge as Rich Evade Travel Chaos

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Post by ohgodplsno »

luckylion wrote: post #23
mckirk wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Ultimately it's a game theoretic problem though, isn't it? Your own personal impact on energy consumption and greenhouse gas emissions is negligible, even if you are jetting around in your private jet. Therefore it only matters what all the people 'similar to you' are doing in aggregate, and your decision should be based on that: 'What impact would my decision here have, if the people in similar situations all acted…

I have no numbers to back this up, but intuitively I'd put my money on 30m Wifi-Routers in France running a third of the year while nobody is home not having a larger impact than the 270 private jets being used.

And you have just lost a bunch of money! Assuming your router uses about 10 watts, that's 86kWh per router, per year. 30m routers makes this 2 580 000 000 kWh. At a current, extremely awful 116g CO2/kWh in France, that's 299 280 tonnes of CO2 per year. A single private jet is 2 tons of CO2 per hour, so your 270 private jets only need to fly 554 hours per year to be just as bad. The current average is 448 hours per year. So, yeah, private jets currently emit 80% as much CO2 per year as 30m routers running 24/7. Unless you recommend we only use wifi for 3 hours a day, getting rid of these private jets will be more productive.

Additionally, those routers actually serve a use, unlike private jets. Between universal access to the Internet to millions, and a few thousands doing lines of cocaine at 30000 feet to go to their villa in Corsica, I think I know which one is more useful.

And finally, it's a matter of perceived justice. And believe me, being told to turn off your wifi while a rich dickwad can fly to Acapulco for three hours tends to make people slightly angry, not willing to make sacrifices and with a tendency to commit extremely unlawful acts against such jets.

Re: Private Jets to Ibiza, Paris Surge as Rich Evade Travel Chaos

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Post by ohgodplsno »

mckirk wrote: post #14
ohgodplsno wrote: post #3

Quoted post unavailable.

Ultimately it's a game theoretic problem though, isn't it? Your own personal impact on energy consumption and greenhouse gas emissions is negligible, even if you are jetting around in your private jet. Therefore it only matters what all the people 'similar to you' are doing in aggregate, and your decision should be based on that: 'What impact would my decision here have, if the people in similar situations all acted…

No. A single day from one of LVMH's private jets is equivalent to the yearly CO2 emissions of 1500 people. Nothing, absolutely nothing justifies this. There is no reasonable world where this should be acceptable, much less one where we are in a climate crisis.

Re: Private Jets to Ibiza, Paris Surge as Rich Evade Travel Chaos

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Post by ChuckNorris89 »

durnygbur wrote: post #25
wesleywt wrote: post #6

Imagine having all the money in the world to afford a private jet. And you choose to go to Ibiza.

There they basically can have all forms of sex with any human they desire, free of charge. Compare this with GBP 200 per hour in London...

It's only free of charge if you ignore the high cost of the private jets, fancy hotels, table and bottle service at fancy clubs which alone is 2k Euros.

Suddenly 200gbp/hour is a real steal. But it's not about the money, it's about the feeling of power when people throw themselves at you.

Re: Private Jets to Ibiza, Paris Surge as Rich Evade Travel Chaos

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Post by nivenkos »

The rich will flee to Hawaii and NZ, etc. meanwhile we suffer the consequences of their decisions with electricity and natural gas shortages, hyper-inflation and rising interest rates.

The government should bring in capital controls and seize their accounts and capital. Let them try to survive when they can't leech off the working class.

Re: Private Jets to Ibiza, Paris Surge as Rich Evade Travel Chaos

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Post by hatmatrix »

wesleywt wrote: post #6

Imagine having all the money in the world to afford a private jet. And you choose to go to Ibiza.

In the article it says Napoli, Amsterdam, and Berlin have shown the greatest increase in popularity. Paris and Ibeza are 12th and 18th, respectively. Not sure why these destinations were chosen for the title of the article.

Re: Private Jets to Ibiza, Paris Surge as Rich Evade Travel Chaos

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Post by Cthulhu_ »

nivenkos wrote: post #34

The rich will flee to Hawaii and NZ, etc. meanwhile we suffer the consequences of their decisions with electricity and natural gas shortages, hyper-inflation and rising interest rates. The government should bring in capital controls and seize their accounts and capital. Let them try to survive when they can't leech off the working class.

I mean if they want to stay there as the collapse happens that's their choice, I'd flee inland instead if I was them. The islands and coastal areas are risky with flooding and tropical storms.

Re: Private Jets to Ibiza, Paris Surge as Rich Evade Travel Chaos

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Post by javajosh »

I'm generally not in favor of violence but it's probably worthwhile for the very rich to remember that it's an option when they get more "win more" mechanics and successfully block the "catch up" mechanics in society. These apparent 'victories' for the rich prevent the gradual release of "pressure" and sets up the system to explosively pop.

The "I deserve this" ideology is a great danger to the super-wealthy because it blinds them to the more profound truth: unbalanced games are not fun and ultimately fail. Arguing against game balance because you've used (maybe even discovered) degenerate strats to acquire a huge resource lead is immature and short-sighted because if the game itself fails none of those resources will have any value.

Re: Private Jets to Ibiza, Paris Surge as Rich Evade Travel Chaos

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Post by true_religion »

durnygbur wrote: post #27
anovikov wrote: post #18

I can't see what's wrong with it. It's essentially the only sensible way in which the rich are clearly different from the middle class these days. If we remove this, what will be left of being rich?

The're still immune to most laws and taxes... then they'd be gods without wings.

Isn’t that just a Demi god? Sounds like a demotion in status… although I’m not against it.

Re: Private Jets to Ibiza, Paris Surge as Rich Evade Travel Chaos

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Post by sofixa »

hatmatrix wrote: post #35
wesleywt wrote: post #6

Imagine having all the money in the world to afford a private jet. And you choose to go to Ibiza.

In the article it says Napoli, Amsterdam, and Berlin have shown the greatest increase in popularity. Paris and Ibeza are 12th and 18th, respectively. Not sure why these destinations were chosen for the title of the article.

London - Ibiza is the combination that saw the highest growth.

Re: Private Jets to Ibiza, Paris Surge as Rich Evade Travel Chaos

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Post by pastacacioepepe »

anovikov wrote: post #18

I can't see what's wrong with it. It's essentially the only sensible way in which the rich are clearly different from the middle class these days. If we remove this, what will be left of being rich?

> It's essentially the only sensible way in which the rich are clearly different from the middle class these days

So it's private jet or you're middle class? That's a ludicrous statement, really.

You conveniently forget the universe of luxury amenities that wealth grants you, and more importantly the power you get as a consequence. Being able to move fast on private jets is just a small fraction of the benefits.

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