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Private Jets to Ibiza, Paris Surge as Rich Evade Travel Chaos

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Re: Private Jets to Ibiza, Paris Surge as Rich Evade Travel Chaos

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Imagine having all the money in the world to afford a private jet. And you choose to go to Ibiza.

In the article it says Napoli, Amsterdam, and Berlin have shown the greatest increase in popularity. Paris and Ibeza are 12th and 18th, respectively. Not sure why these destinations were chosen for the title of the article.

Because its boulevard clickbait designed to enrage and upset.

Re: Private Jets to Ibiza, Paris Surge as Rich Evade Travel Chaos

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I have a friend who is a pilot for a privet jet charter company, he has not only had a very busy summer, they have been super busy since covid hit. They were restricted from taking any (none required) time off for the last few months.

On the other hand another friend who flys long haul for a large national branded airline has had a fairly slow few years.

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> therefore _extremely_ vulnerable to physical violence. Because this is going to be the only outcome if they keep this up This is an immature reaction. We’re talking about Europe, not sub-Saharan Africa. Those same planes would have the wealthy safely out of harm’s way, likely with a good portion of their capital, while the idiots who threw away their peace are left to squabble over remains.

As was seen recently in Sri Lanka when the corrupt ex-president tried to run away by plane, you can't if the people hate you because the plane doesn't fly itself from nowhere - it needs mechanics, air traffic control, passport control, pilots, etc. He managed to escape with a military plane, but that's unlikely to be an option for your random rich person not ex-military chief.

And Europe, especially France, has a rich history of getting rid of upper classes on occasion.

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If it gets to that point they will start bankrolling far right militias. They'll bring them into the mainstream with slick propaganda, decent salaries and support from the middle-of-the-road media (which they own). Think Proud Boys, but made respectable, the backing of a few senators and armed with top of the line hardware. This is essentially what happened in Ukraine.

> If it gets to that point they will start bankrolling far right militias

They already are, kind of. The far-righest presidential candidate who was bordering on fascist in France was bankrolled to absurd amounts by one of the richest assholes in France, Vincent Bolloré. Bankrolling a militia isn't a far stretch from bankrolling someone advocating for banning non-French names and expelling everyone of foreign descent.

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I have no numbers to back this up, but intuitively I'd put my money on 30m Wifi-Routers in France running a third of the year while nobody is home not having a larger impact than the 270 private jets being used.

And you have just lost a bunch of money! Assuming your router uses about 10 watts, that's 86kWh per router, per year. 30m routers makes this 2 580 000 000 kWh. At a current, extremely awful 116g CO2/kWh in France, that's 299 280 tonnes of CO2 per year. A single private jet is 2 tons of CO2 per hour, so your 270 private jets only need to fly 554 hours per year to be just as bad. The current average is 448 hours per ye…

Private jets only average 448 hours a year? I'm surprised, I had imagined many of them to be either used a lot or rented out and not be grounded 95% of the year. Does that include "empty flights" to get the jet to the location of the passenger?

I guess we should also consider private turbo props (not really jets? but "private jets" is probably just short for "private plane" for all intents and purposes").

Re: Private Jets to Ibiza, Paris Surge as Rich Evade Travel Chaos

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Imagine having all the money in the world to afford a private jet. And you choose to go to Ibiza.

Should I have all the money in the world I would most likely spend a good part of the year in Ibiza. I've been to a lot of places in the Mediterranean (and other shores) and Ibiza is one of the most beautiful places in terms of nature, people and generally good vibes.

Equating Ibiza to sex and parties is like saying Amsterdam is nothing but rain or London is always foggy. There's some truth to it, but you'll be missing a whole lot if judging just by that

Edit: typo

Re: Private Jets to Ibiza, Paris Surge as Rich Evade Travel Chaos

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Imagine having all the money in the world to afford a private jet. And you choose to go to Ibiza.

While I haven’t been myself. I believe Ibiza very much has two literal sides to the island. The well known party side and a far more family friendly, beautiful, beach resort that is very popular with the affluent middle classes. I can completely see why people who can afford a short haul privet flight would choose Ibiza.

Re: Private Jets to Ibiza, Paris Surge as Rich Evade Travel Chaos

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I'm generally not in favor of violence but it's probably worthwhile for the very rich to remember that it's an option when they get more "win more" mechanics and successfully block the "catch up" mechanics in society. These apparent 'victories' for the rich prevent the gradual release of "pressure" and sets up the system to explosively pop. The "I deserve this" ideology is a great danger to the super-wealthy because…

You'd have to square this against the significant wealth of those who are best able to revolt, ie., all of us. The historical standard of "wealth" for revolution was basically "none". Once you hit mass starvation, you're there.

Violent revolutions are conducted either by the court (of the king) who use the desperation of the very poor; or by envious almost-wealthies likewise able to rabble-rouse the very poor.

The problem you have with your theory is: we are all very rich against the "revolt wealth" standard. Greece, post-crisis, lost 25% of its GDP. If that had occurred in almost any decade in human history there would be a violent revolt. Today a loss of 25% GDP goes from very rich, to quite rich.

Almost everyone who could revolt is far too wealthy to risk it. The european poor arent going to risk their benefits to revolt against taxpayers. These benefits constitute an insurmountable wealth-floor on revolution.

The rich can do whatever they like, envy isn't enough here.

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Ultimately it's a game theoretic problem though, isn't it? Your own personal impact on energy consumption and greenhouse gas emissions is negligible, even if you are jetting around in your private jet. Therefore it only matters what all the people 'similar to you' are doing in aggregate, and your decision should be based on that: 'What impact would my decision here have, if the people in similar situations all acted…

Game theoretic thinking brings "stable" but disastarous results. Perhaps now that humanity knows about game theory we should try and find ways to encompass humanism and other values into the pure rationalist model.
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