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Ask HN: Location based pay is killing my motivation, how do others handle it?

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Re: Ask HN: Location based pay is killing my motivation, how do others handle it?

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> 1) cost of living - a lot of my colleagues are in locations where they can buy independent houses which are cheaper than an appartment in the city I live…………

Have you considered moving/transfering to another country ? You list all the problems there and you would benefit from higher income, free healthcare and housing opportunities

Focus on what you can change

Move to where the money is or find a company that pays location independent wages

Re: Ask HN: Location based pay is killing my motivation, how do others handle it?

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Many people don't consider Canadian English "passable" :)

We're quite willing to misspell "colour" for US rates!

The true crime is pronouncing "Java" to rhyme with "have a". Hearing someone say, "JaaavaScript" is a traumatic experience :)

Re: Ask HN: Location based pay is killing my motivation, how do others handle it?

#243
I can tell you're in India. Just a few thoughts from a fellow Indian:

- You are dramatically underestimating the cost of food and energy in Europe and America.

- Countries with free functional education and healthcare have a much higher effective tax rate than India.

- With the exception of Mumbai, a senior software engineer should be able to afford a house in any Indian city. If that is not the case, it's very likely that you are getting short-changed. And keep in mind the median sales price of houses in the US from April to June was 440k USD. That's more than 3.5 crores.

- The pay difference between India and the West for software engineers has shrunk dramatically over the past few years. If you've been at the same company for a long time, maybe it's time to switch.

- Top up health insurance is cheap. There really is no reason why an illness should financially ruin you.

Re: Ask HN: Location based pay is killing my motivation, how do others handle it?

#244
Looks like the meme about the price of a bottle of water going around the internet has not reached some of us. There is no “true” price for water. Price is contextual. OP, you are in a contest for which your price is what your price is. Change context. I did.

Re: Ask HN: Location based pay is killing my motivation, how do others handle it?

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>Kind of depends what you are getting paid, but if it is less then $100k say, you can easily find remote jobs that pay more, play them off against each other. Someone from Asia who is pretty good at their work can get a fully international remote job that pays north of 100K USD? Is this practically possible or is it super difficult like say getting into MIT or CMU. I'm asking because this seems farfetched and I have…

I am in Tokyo, working for an SF-based startup, and am making $180K/year. Translated into yen, it's about 2 or 2.5 times the amount I could hope to get locally. Full disclosure: I have no university degree, and am not a guru/superstar/10x engineer. I am intermediate-senior and competent, no more.

Do you mind me asking: Did you get that job through a job board or connections?

Re: Ask HN: Location based pay is killing my motivation, how do others handle it?

#247

Your pay is based on the cost to hire your replacement. That’s it. There’s no crazy conspiracies, there’s no moral failing, they’re not running a calculator of how much value you generate. Would it sap your motivation to learn there are people doing your same job at FAANGs making double what you make? Or that some other job makes more money than you? Location based pay is just another variable. As with everything in…

> Your pay is based on the cost to hire replacement What is being described here is supply/demand economics. If you think you’re being underpaid, quit, find something else that pays you more. The reason why you won’t quit is the reason why the company doesn’t pay you more. You don’t have other options, and if you quit, they know there will be 10 other people ready to take you place for those wages. Part of the reason…

> You don’t have other options, and if you quit, they know there will be 10 other people ready to take you place for those wages.

I'm just imagining this dude quitting and his manager suddenly realizing that no one else knows anything about the parts he worked on and how fucked they are now. Just because a bunch of people could take your job doesn't mean they'll give a shit about the job. Good, well motivated, employees are extremely hard to find. Understand your value and don't let some dude in a button down shirt who has never written a line of code trick you into thinking you aren't valuable.

Re: Ask HN: Location based pay is killing my motivation, how do others handle it?

#248
If this is bothering you too much, the best thing you can do is move to a local employer where the salary range is more to your liking.

You have to think from the employer’s standpoint: if they pay you US or EU salary, why should they not just hire in those locales where it seems the company has bigger presence, or is maybe headquartered. Why would a company take the overhead of maintaining an offshore presence if there is no benefit to it.

Moreover, you are paid the local replacement cost, as in what would it cost the company to hire your replacement in your market. Unless you bring a unique value to the company you will be paid local market rate. If you are unique, then you will be paid whatever you want.

Re: Ask HN: Location based pay is killing my motivation, how do others handle it?

#249
The solution is relatively simple, look for a job that doesn't do location based pay. Out of 8 offers I recieved earlier this year, three had location based pay, and I politely declined all three (ok, maybe with a little contempt in my voice) and told them that policy was the reason why. Your not here to change their policies, just move on and tell them why you did (after the new gig is secure.)

Re: Ask HN: Location based pay is killing my motivation, how do others handle it?

#250

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> Your pay is based on the cost to hire replacement What is being described here is supply/demand economics. If you think you’re being underpaid, quit, find something else that pays you more. The reason why you won’t quit is the reason why the company doesn’t pay you more. You don’t have other options, and if you quit, they know there will be 10 other people ready to take you place for those wages. Part of the reason…

> You don’t have other options, and if you quit, they know there will be 10 other people ready to take you place for those wages. I'm just imagining this dude quitting and his manager suddenly realizing that no one else knows anything about the parts he worked on and how fucked they are now. Just because a bunch of people could take your job doesn't mean they'll give a shit about the job. Good, well motivated, employ…

> I'm just imagining this dude quitting and his manager suddenly realizing that no one else knows anything about the parts he worked on and how fucked they are now.

I would bet its rarely a case. We like to think that we are irreplacable, but after our quit company/project is still moving on.

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