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Re: Google Pixel 6 still freezes when calling Emergency Services

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Post by astrange »

smoldesu wrote: post #104
astrange wrote: post #90

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The guy who had his Google account deleted for sending pictures of his children to his doctor is definitely upset about cloud providers scanning his content!

I'm sure he is, but rules are rules. Google cannot store that content for any purpose whatsoever: there are very specific regulatory standards in place for storing medical data, and Google Drive/iCloud doesn't comply with those standards. They (both!) go as far as to tell you that in the EULA, so the context of the situation doesn't even matter in the first place. The more bothersome thing (to me) is client-side scan…

Taking a picture of something on your own phone is not "medical data" and they weren't doing ToS compliance, they were scanning for novel CSAM in a way they're not required to, reported it to the police, and now are refusing to undelete his account because of their never give anyone customer service policy.

(Even if you took a picture to send to your doctor through an encrypted app, it just has to end up in the photo library to be cloud synced, unless you remember to hand delete it.)

Re: Google Pixel 6 still freezes when calling Emergency Services

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Post by endisneigh »

smoldesu wrote: post #116
endisneigh wrote: post #96

Earlier quoted context omitted.

seems like a dumb thing to argue about. everything you're saying is moot as you can just plug in your phone to your computer and upload photos without scanning, or use a self-hosted file upload service, etc. your compute and phone resources are already used for analytics and other things that you didn't explicitly tell the phone to do. you also greatly overestimate how much CPU it takes to compare a hash, lol fact of…

> your compute and phone resources are already used for analytics and other things that you didn't explicitly tell the phone to do. I didn't know LineageOS sent analytics, it never showed up on Netguard. Curious! If you think this is a dumb thing to argue about, then by all means; don't argue about it! If you're satisfied with your iPhone and convinced that Apple can do no wrong, then certainly don't let me get in yo…

We're talking about Apple devices here so LineageOS is irrelevant. Please keep up.

> Do I? If it's not such a big hassle, then Apple can just run it on their own servers. They own your iCloud decryption keys anyways, it shouldn't be too big of a deal.

Privacy is better preserved doing it on device compared to on their servers.

anyway, nothing more to discuss here.

Re: Google Pixel 6 still freezes when calling Emergency Services

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Post by vetinari »

anonuser123456 wrote: post #113
vetinari wrote: post #99

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Apple scans files on your device, using your resources (storage, compute, power). Google scans files on their devices, using their resources (storage, compute power). It is you who decided to upload files to Google's cloud. However, it is difficult to use your own device if you don't have privacy there.

The feature Apple proposed would only apply to files you were uploading to iCloud. Turning off iCloud photos prevented scanning. The whole point of the Apple system was to enable end to end encryption so Apple couldn’t view your data on their servers. The only way they could get access is when a threshold of CSAM likely files were met. e.g the keys are sharded. With the Apple approach you have considerably more priva…

For now. The foot would be in door to enable it system-wide.

Re: Google Pixel 6 still freezes when calling Emergency Services

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Post by jasec57322 »

I'm currently using a 6 year old phone. Now that I don't take many photos and use it lightly - it actually performs far better than the previous 3 new phones I had - 2 of which were flagships. The S22 I sent back had worse battery-life than my current phone - it was doing heavy background-work, despite having all the battery-optimal settings enabled.

To the point: New phones are way too big, too power-hungry, the newer they get the more 'features' they have that I didn't ask for and don't want - not least is the data mining by everybody under the sun at the firmware level.

I've given up buying new phones. When this one cunks-out I'll buy an old-used one. That is unless there comes a real alternative to increasingly crappy android & the above issues are resolved.

Re: Google Pixel 6 still freezes when calling Emergency Services

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Post by bjt2n3904 »

libria wrote: post #81
bjt2n3904 wrote: post #48

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> criminal prosecution Steady now. I don't think you want that.

I don't know the specific law, but FCC does expect a phone to be able to reach 911 (e.g., 911 Act). There must already be a penalizing process or fines in place for manufacturers who fail to meet basic standards. I'm not sure what criminal liability would look like, though. Who do we put in jail? The dev? QA? People who CR'd the bug? The TPM who proposed the feature? The manager who allocated time? The skip who initi…

It's abundantly clear from the replies in this thread that people are thinking emotionally, not rationally.

They're pissed off at their phone, and reaching for the biggest stick they can find -- not to fix the problem, but to punish whoever caused it. Likely, they wouldn't even punish the right person, it would just be a scapegoat sacrificed to appease their wrath.

Your comment is right on the nose when it comes to thinking rationally, and not emotionally.

A smart phone is not like the flight computers on a 747. If you want guaranteed 911 access with the threat of criminal prosecution if it fails, I'll happily design you a device. It will cost $50k, and will have a monthly service fee of $1000 per user. It won't have any other features besides 911. But it will work!

People just don't know what they're demanding.

Re: Google Pixel 6 still freezes when calling Emergency Services

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Post by Throwawayaerlei »

devoutsalsa wrote: post #88
pid-1 wrote: post #79

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If you want a premium phone, Apple is pretty much unchallenged. I'm not a fan of expensive phones though - I'm scared I will break it and lose $700+ in the blink of an eye. Been using cheap Motorolas for the past 10 years, no complains.

For the iPhone, you can always buy two generations back to save a few bucks. I bought an iPhone 11 a couple months ago for $499 plus tax and it’s a perfectly good phone.

If you're really on a budget you can probably go back even more generations and get both an acceptable phone and one that'll get updates for some time. Which are probably more important for iOS because it's such a single big target compared to the fragmented Android world. I'm currently using an iPhone 6s I got in February 2020 for $200 from my Consumer Cellular MVNO which unlocks it after 6 months.

One thing you'll lose with the older phones sooner than iOS updates is AppleCare support, but if you get a good bargain to begin with....

Re: Google Pixel 6 still freezes when calling Emergency Services

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Post by bdcravens »

bjt2n3904 wrote: post #48
dessant wrote: post #40

The repeated negligence around the handling of Android bugs related to emergency calls should result in criminal prosecution. It's unlikely that actual people weren't hurt because of these bugs. They have known about these issues for years, and they continue to give them the importance of an unresponsive button in Gmail settings. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29492884 https://www.reddit.com/r/GooglePixel/comme…

> criminal prosecution Steady now. I don't think you want that.

As a developer, I worry about this. However, I also don't work on systems that could cause anyone a level of harm resulting in criminal damage. If I did, I'd like to think I'd increase the care I put into my craft 1000x. I realize that's not doable in many companies, and that's the problem. Too many companies taking the "move fast and break things" attitude towards people's lives and safety. This is how you invite the big foot of government regulation.
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