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Re: Google Pixel 6 still freezes when calling Emergency Services

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Post by buffet_overflow »

corndoge wrote: post #85
ssizn wrote: post #68

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don’t understand how could you pay such a vast amount of money for a phone that is not even subpar… it is unusable by your own testimony. Not trying to be snarky or anything, but why didn’t you return it?

All phones have these problems. Every phone has glaring problems you have to live with or work around.

Across several android and iOS phones (including some of the first android phones in the US market), I have not personally experienced issues anything close to what I’ve read about from the Pixel line.

We need to push manufacturers to be better, especially about providing timely and stable OS updates.

Re: Google Pixel 6 still freezes when calling Emergency Services

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Post by mFixman »

Tijdreiziger wrote: post #27
nickpinkston wrote: post #21

I got a Pixel 6 Pro a few months ago, and it's without question the worst phone I've ever had the displeasure to own. - It crashes constantly. - Bluetooth is even buggier than usual. - Fingerprint unlock is very finicky. - The touchscreen isn't designed/calibrated well and leads to constant fat finger presses. - The hotspot is buggy to connect and randomly drops once it does connect. - The phone is so slick (ie low f…

So where do we go from here? I have a Samsung Galaxy S9 at the moment, but Samsung's typo-filled changelogs don't exactly inspire confidence. It has also been bugging me to accept the new Samsung Account terms, which I don't want to do. Chinese brands (Huawei, Xiaomi, Motorola, etc.) don't inspire confidence for me either. Apple had the CSAM scanning controversy. I have an iPad, but a bunch of features I didn't want…

My Galaxy S21 is the best phone I've ever had. I didn't install any new firmware or anything that requires rooting and I never had a problem not accepting Samsung's terms.

Everything that matters works: the phone is fast, never crashes, and you can install browsers with AdBlock.

Re: Google Pixel 6 still freezes when calling Emergency Services

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Post by anonuser123456 »

vetinari wrote: post #99
anonuser123456 wrote: post #65

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Apple scans files on your device to compare against known CSAM content. Google scans your content for potential CSAM based on AI. One can imagine the false positive rate for the Google approach is likely higher.

Apple scans files on your device, using your resources (storage, compute, power). Google scans files on their devices, using their resources (storage, compute power). It is you who decided to upload files to Google's cloud. However, it is difficult to use your own device if you don't have privacy there.

The feature Apple proposed would only apply to files you were uploading to iCloud. Turning off iCloud photos prevented scanning.

The whole point of the Apple system was to enable end to end encryption so Apple couldn’t view your data on their servers. The only way they could get access is when a threshold of CSAM likely files were met. e.g the keys are sharded.

With the Apple approach you have considerably more privacy.

Re: Google Pixel 6 still freezes when calling Emergency Services

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Post by IncandescentGas »

bjt2n3904 wrote: post #48
dessant wrote: post #40

The repeated negligence around the handling of Android bugs related to emergency calls should result in criminal prosecution. It's unlikely that actual people weren't hurt because of these bugs. They have known about these issues for years, and they continue to give them the importance of an unresponsive button in Gmail settings. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29492884 https://www.reddit.com/r/GooglePixel/comme…

> criminal prosecution Steady now. I don't think you want that.

Why should software companies, developers, product managers and executives remain immune from consequences of willful negligence, when that negligence results in real harm?

In college I took an Engineering Ethics class, where we studied engineering mistakes resulting in deaths, and learned about the investigation and prosecution of the engineers involved when there was negligence.

The Hyatt Regency walkway collapse in particular will always stay with me. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hyatt_Regency_walkway_collapse.

Re: Google Pixel 6 still freezes when calling Emergency Services

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Post by vorpalhex »

endisneigh wrote: post #72
vorpalhex wrote: post #62

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That upload that is the only way to load data onto your phone for many apps, that the phone is auto-opted into and that only Apple can offer? That one? The one that literally no competitor can replace since it uses special Apple entitlements?

I'm not sure what you're talking about? iOS has implemented interfaces to use things like Google Drive, One Drive, Dropbox, etc, baked into the file system.

1. There is no filesystem (exposed), there are per-app sandboxes with the ability to move files from another sandbox

2. It only allows single file actions, no sync/offline cache/etc. Most apps don't meaningfully work well with this - there is no "sync these ten comics to this device at all times"

Most apps still only use their local file sandbox.

Re: Google Pixel 6 still freezes when calling Emergency Services

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Post by smoldesu »

endisneigh wrote: post #96
smoldesu wrote: post #93

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The practical difference is that I pay for the electricity they use, now. The wear-and-tear of their service is now imparted onto my phone. If Apple wants to run that code, they're welcome to do it on their own servers; they pay for the hardware, they decide what software it runs. I shouldn't have to waste my storage space on their NeuralHash model though. I shouldn't waste my CPU cycles on their regulatory complianc…

seems like a dumb thing to argue about. everything you're saying is moot as you can just plug in your phone to your computer and upload photos without scanning, or use a self-hosted file upload service, etc. your compute and phone resources are already used for analytics and other things that you didn't explicitly tell the phone to do. you also greatly overestimate how much CPU it takes to compare a hash, lol fact of…

> your compute and phone resources are already used for analytics and other things that you didn't explicitly tell the phone to do.

I didn't know LineageOS sent analytics, it never showed up on Netguard. Curious!

If you think this is a dumb thing to argue about, then by all means; don't argue about it! If you're satisfied with your iPhone and convinced that Apple can do no wrong, then certainly don't let me get in your way. We're talking about the largest company in the world, though, and if you're unwilling to offer them a little criticism for objectively degrading the iPhone experience, then I don't see the point in discussing this.

> you also greatly overestimate how much CPU it takes to compare a hash, lol

Do I? If it's not such a big hassle, then Apple can just run it on their own servers. They own your iCloud decryption keys anyways, it shouldn't be too big of a deal.

Re: Google Pixel 6 still freezes when calling Emergency Services

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Post by duxup »

corndoge wrote: post #85
ssizn wrote: post #68

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don’t understand how could you pay such a vast amount of money for a phone that is not even subpar… it is unusable by your own testimony. Not trying to be snarky or anything, but why didn’t you return it?

All phones have these problems. Every phone has glaring problems you have to live with or work around.

> Every phone has glaring problems you have to live with or work around.

I can only think of one phone i have used that has what I would characterize as “glaring problems”.

Re: Google Pixel 6 still freezes when calling Emergency Services

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Post by 3434111 »

DangitBobby wrote: post #31
amir734jj wrote: post #15

I switched to pixel 6 from pixel 4 and it was buggy to the point that I had to give away my pixel 6. Then I bought new still in box pixel 3 and I'm happy again.

Is it still getting updates?

Yes, if you install LineageOS... I like my Pixel 3 except for one thing, the fingerprint sensor appears to be defective, sometimes it works and sometimes it doesn't (bought it used on https://swappa.com/)... it gained 30% in value since I bought it more then a year ago.

Re: Google Pixel 6 still freezes when calling Emergency Services

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Post by The_Colonel »

dekerta wrote: post #53
dessant wrote: post #40

The repeated negligence around the handling of Android bugs related to emergency calls should result in criminal prosecution. It's unlikely that actual people weren't hurt because of these bugs. They have known about these issues for years, and they continue to give them the importance of an unresponsive button in Gmail settings. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29492884 https://www.reddit.com/r/GooglePixel/comme…

I got a Pixel6 in July. Aside from the camera, it is by far the worst phone I've ever owned. I probably experience at least 4 or 5 major crashes every day where the phone becomes unresponsive for a few seconds. Up until now, I've been able to live with the bugs as a moderate inconvenience, but now that I know I could potentially die because of Google's complete lack of QA, I'm going to ditch the phone right away. I'l…

My P6P is also the worst phone I can remember, but unlike you, I also really dislike (main) camera. It oversharpens people's faces to absurd degree in anything but optimal light. Faces are discolored (often gray), wrinkles come up, hair often looks kind of greasy. (for landscapes the camera is pretty good though)

Re: Google Pixel 6 still freezes when calling Emergency Services

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Post by nzentzis »

LaputanMachine wrote: post #84
abdusco wrote: post #44

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any recommendation for an adblocker on ios that can block youtube ads?

"Vinegar - Tube Cleaner" blocks all YouTube ads in Safari. It also replaces YouTube's video player with the native HTML5 player, so you can play videos in the background or watch them in picture-in-picture mode. Vinegar can also be used together with Sponsorblock for a completely ad-free experience. It's a difference as night and day.

Thank you for this recommendation - I'm planning to switch platforms in a few weeks, and blocking YT ads was one of the big open questions I still had.
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