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Sounds exactly like Putin about ukrainians.
Have ukranians conducted a terror campaign against Russian citizens, kidnapping, torturing and killing innocent civilians, with widespread popular support behind the killings?
Israeli rules say West Bank visitors must declare love interest
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I mean the answer is pretty clear even for Europe. With ISIS committing acts of terror in Europe, it helps to have a country in the Middle East as an ally.
https://www.quora.com/Which-countries-imposed-a-travel-ban-o... https://qphs.fs.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-b39d6210ab7224d8434ca... look at this. India, back before 1991, had this printed on their passport. I dare any human rights advocating country to do this today against Israeli apartheid state?
I dare any Arab country to allow someone to enter with an Israeli passport! Or heck, even let their own Jewish citizens live there.
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Guess the israelis are doing their darnest to get them to try a fourth time.
Nearly all the Arab countries have since signed peace deals with Israel, with Syria and Iran being the only exceptions. No one is going to invade Israel. Palestinians should sign the last peace deal. They aren't going to get better terms.
Isreal has a well established history of not honoring treaties so I don't see why Arab countries would be expected to honor their end of the deal.
The Palestinians will probably do the right thing and preserver until the israelis cross yet another red line. Let's just hope - for the israelis sake - that they don't cross a line to far.
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> Just because a bunch of countries believe (or don’t believe) something doesn’t make it a fact. The statehood is all about recognization. Please check your favorite dictionary, e.g. mine says state·hood /ˈstātˌho͝od/ the status of being a recognized independent nation. When talking about such recognization, there are around 8 billion people living on earth today, out of that 8 billion real people, only about 1.5 bil…
By that argument, the State of Israel is not a state? Since those same countries (Iran, Pakistan, Bangladesh, etc) do not in fact recognize Israel’s existence. The recognition you point to from other countries, is, at its heart, political. Those other countries are Muslim majority and vehemently anti-Israel. Ignoring that political and religious bias is intellectually dishonest. But, if you still maintain Palestine i…
> the State of Israel is not a state?
Israel is of course a state, it is a state established in 1948 and its border should thus remain in the shape and form of 1948.
> when was its independence?
15 November 1988 for declaring independence. 29 November 2012 for becoming an observer state of the United Nation General Assembly.
It becomes a fully recognized state when the UNGA observer state status was obtained after a formal vote by countries around the world. You are free to consider it as the consensus of the human race.
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Their unwillingness to surrender ever more (litterally less every year) territory and and water rights to colonial settlers. Their inwillingeness accept that refugees have no right to return. Yeah they would have "sovereignty", just without most of the rights of a real state.
Do you support the "colonial settlement" of Indo-Europeans outside of the original Yamnaya territory, or should they all go back to the steppe and give Finns, Dravidians, Basques, etc. right to return? Should the English GTFO to Denmark/Normandy/... and give the island back to the Welsh/etc.? What about Turks, should they move back to Central Asia and give Anatolia back to Greece? If those are not your proposals, per…
Yeah its always funny when the defense of colonialism is 'ohters' did it too.
The different of curse being that what we are talking about is much more recent and until very recently in living memories, with people still having the keys to the houses they were forced out of.
And secondary that by now the Vikings stopped arriving in Engalnd, while the Zionists continue to steal more and more land despite their agreements not to do so.
We can't change history, but saying well in the past we didn't prevent colonization, so why not just accept the systematic repression of Palestinian and the clear policy of ethnic cleansing. How is that morality? How can you justify that? That you have to talk about the viking age to justify your position tells volumes.
But the reality is, Israel is established, and its not moral to push them out and destroy it. However, how the fuck can you justify that the colonization is still going on. Literally ever year Israel is doing its best to import as many people as they can settle them into strategic territories in the West Bank where they continually take away more and more water.
And even worse leading right wing parties internal plan is to shed another few million Palestinians and then treat the small Palestians enclaves as Bantustans or not unlike Jews Gettos in Nazi Germany. Used at most to extract cheap labor.
So good luck with your historical justification for oppressing people. I'm sure the Nazis were also justified in their policy 'hey, historically jews were slaughtered during the crusade, so why are people so angry at us?'.
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So the US can just declare the black hoods as external terretories and then the South could have continued as they were in the 60s. Amazing what you can achieve by some legal shananigens. Fact is, Israel is in controll of those terretories, these people are suject to the Israeli state.
Gaza and West Bank are almost entirely autonomous. They are self-governing with their own civil administration, police force, school system, etc... Israel controls, to only a limited extent, their international borders until a final peace deal is signed because there is a constant missile smuggling operations going on, with those missile being fired across the "border" into Israeli cities. People need to start advoca…
Mhh funny when I drove threw the West Bank we passed multiple Israeli army positions.
In fact, only the Zone A areas are 'autonomous' and those zones are not connected, so to go from one place in the country to another you pass Israeli army positions where people are harnessed and often shot.
But I'm sure if people in the Us to go past a Red Army check point when going from New York to New Jersy that would be totally fine.
Not to mention how systematically Israel has stolen resources such as water from those 'self-governing' bantustans. You are sell governing but the water is now gone, why are you doing such a bad job?
Israel is also intervening in the affairs of those territories consistently. Its much more comparable to the Indian princes under the English empire. Sure those were 'autonomous' but usually people are not gullible enough to actually be believe that. Israel has major influence in most matters that is usually important for govenrment.
The amount of autonomy a city surrounded by foreign army can have is really, really limited.
> constant missile smuggling operations going on
If there was no smuggling people would starve and wouldn't have medicine.
> People need to start advocating for a peace deal, and stop taking "sides".
People like you need to open their eyes and stop reading international propaganda about the situation. Even some leading Palestinian researches are now saying Israel has transformed the situation in the West Bank as such that it basically no longer possible to make it into real state.
Just endlessly advocating for a 'peace' when the status quo is clearly in favor of 1 party while the other systematically being exploited and reduced is actually taking a side. By just saying we should just have conference after conference where its basically Israel and the US bribing PA leadership to accept more limited aims, is favoring Israel.
Israel has long ago realized that as long as they talk a good game about peace internationally while on the ground making peace an impossibility the gullible Westernes who don't understand what's happening on the ground will continue to talk about peace while Israel systematically steals more and more land and water. While Israel imports more 'Jews' (very loosely defined) and while Palestinian refugees of the second generations die and their claim to rights gets weaker and weaker.
Look at the powers in Israel, look at the parties, look at the parliament, look at the situation on the ground, the idea that they have even the slightest interest in any kind of peace is delusional. They are slowly transitioning the status quo to where they want it to be. They have long ago started a strategy of 1000-cuts and since the international situation is in their favor they will just continue to execute that strategy.
But instead of having those 1000-cuts in the news, Israel does its best to flood Western media with ever bit of fireworks that flies over the border while the fighter jets Israel get rarely mentioned. A single Palestinian attacking somebody with a knive makes more press then a new 10000 people development in the West Bank.
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It depends on both sides to show genuine willingness of the rights of the peoples on both sides. Absolutely, Israel still has more steps to take towards peace (eg, removing settlements). Historically though, PA leadership has rarely demonstrated any honest desire for compromise or peace. Hamas, currently the government in Gaza, literally calls for the “obliteration” of the State of Israel as part of its charter.
> Hamas, currently the government in Gaza, literally calls for the “obliteration” of the State of Israel as part of its charter. You are free to call Hamas a terrorist group, I don't have big problem on that. However, a very bold however, using the existence of Hamas as an excuse to paint the ongoing sufferings of Palestinians as "there is a reason behind it" or "Palestinians have their own faults as well" is not hel…
The responsible party in Palestinian territories is Hamas. It’s not a bad idea for Israel to start supplying their neighbour (maybe with big “a gift from Israel” stickers on whatever they donate) but Hamas is the government.