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#102I got the same all the time in US immigration (flying to texas) they ask me thousands of personal questions about my family, my universities, if I am gay or bisexual??? I think people need to take a good look at US immigration too,
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#103I live in israel, I am jewish practicing and a lot of my friends (outside of work, we are running togethere) are muslim, and most people don't care about politics, just saying it's not that black and white....
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#104Earlier quoted context omitted.
Given the Canadian government's over the top reaction to the trucker protesters earlier this year I'm not at all surprised to hear they behave like the oppressive Israelis when dealing with foreign travelers. Didn't used to be this way, even a few years ago.
The only problem with the government's reaction to the honkers was that it took too long. Remember Sir John Diefenbaker's: freedom of speech is the right to say whatever you want, it is not the right to do whatever you want. The moment those honkers started interfering with the tranquility, safety and professional activities of other people they were no longer doing free speech, they were doing vandalism and terroris…
The convoy did things that were all previously seen in Canadian history. Occupying the street in front of Parliament Hill with vehicles, honking incessantly, being very antagonistic towards the local populace.
What was novel was the amount and time they spent doing those things. I had previously seen tractors occupy Wellington Street, and being generally very loud. For six hours. They afterwards left in orderly fashion, their point made. The convoy was delusional in the thinking that leaving after the protest was not part of the discourse.
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#105Earlier quoted context omitted.
Obama existing won the hearts of Republicn voters. Lets not forget the tan suit, quite right it was rolling news for weeks. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Obama_tan_suit_controversy
Or the mustard…
I jsut watched Hanity from back in the day on this outrage, its worse than I thought, the man ordered his burger medium-well done. What kind of a savage does that?
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#106it is funny how american "ally"ness with israel somehow manages to put a cover on the "western" democracy values and "freedoms".... i am pretty sure the moment israel-usa relations turn sour, usa would wake up to the "inhuman treatment" and "apartheid".... right now its all fair and square and under the approval of American interests so its all fine. even EU hasn't had that "woke" moment with Palestinian yet, most pr…
I mean the answer is pretty clear even for Europe. With ISIS committing acts of terror in Europe, it helps to have a country in the Middle East as an ally.
https://www.quora.com/Which-countries-imposed-a-travel-ban-o...
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look at this. India, back before 1991, had this printed on their passport. I dare any human rights advocating country to do this today against Israeli apartheid state?
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#107Earlier quoted context omitted.
It depends on Israel to show genuine willingness to respect the legitimate rights of those Palestinians and to comply with UN resolutions.
It depends on both sides to show genuine willingness of the rights of the peoples on both sides. Absolutely, Israel still has more steps to take towards peace (eg, removing settlements). Historically though, PA leadership has rarely demonstrated any honest desire for compromise or peace. Hamas, currently the government in Gaza, literally calls for the “obliteration” of the State of Israel as part of its charter.
> Hamas, currently the government in Gaza, literally calls for the “obliteration” of the State of Israel as part of its charter.
You are free to call Hamas a terrorist group, I don't have big problem on that.
However, a very bold however, using the existence of Hamas as an excuse to paint the ongoing sufferings of Palestinians as "there is a reason behind it" or "Palestinians have their own faults as well" is not helpful - Palestinians kids growing up in isolation, poverty, anger, fear and lack of education are the ones joining Hamas tomorrow.
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#108Earlier quoted context omitted.
Given the Canadian government's over the top reaction to the trucker protesters earlier this year I'm not at all surprised to hear they behave like the oppressive Israelis when dealing with foreign travelers. Didn't used to be this way, even a few years ago.
As a Canadian, who lives near one of the main sites, it was not over the top. The "truckers" (in reality, it was some truckers, and a lot of yahoos looking for a good time or attention) were tolerated for quite a while doing quite a few things that went well beyond any reasonable protest, were in fact blatently illegal, easily amounted to occupying key infrastructure that the vast majority of Canadians did not want t…
No other western country has suspended its own constitutional rights over a protest that was non violent and led to 0 deaths. No matter how you spin it, and how much you dislike the protesters that still makes it an unprecedented move.
But it is amusing to see how some people here in canada are totally ok with that, and still manage to blame the US or whatever for pointing out that the federal government did exactly what it did. Demanding that the government steps down is legal, and is normal for a protest. We had it happen in quebec in 2012 during the student protests, but no one was calling that an overthrow attempt. And if the bar for basically stripping the citizenry of rights is "disruptive protests", then we don't have protest rights. Even the most reactionary right wingers in America weren't calling for suspending their constitution after the 2020 protests.
(And the discussion has nothing to do with popular support, no one was claiming they were supported by the majority. It's not even relevant, why would that matter when the problem was the insanely dangerous step of suspending charter rights. Trying to make it about something else is a red herring.)
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#109Earlier quoted context omitted.
Strange then that Gaza is firing missiles into Israel rather than negotiating for peace and independence. Israel has repeatedly said that Gaza can be free and independent if they would just stop firing missile over the border into Israel and sign a peace agreement. It's insane that people here are taking sides, including the above linked organizations, instead of pressuring Hamas (which controls Gaza) to accept a pea…
Maybe Israel should stop shooting people on the Gazan side of the wall within the so called "buffer zone". Why one side shooting is good and the other side is bad?
Shooting at the border goes both ways at the Gazan border. It's a tense border in what is effectively a war zone. No one should approach it from either side.
Again, stop trying to take sides in a war you have no skin in the game. It's easy to tell Gazans to keep fighting Israel from the comfort of your basement.
Real courage is in advocating a peace deal for Gaza.
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#110Earlier quoted context omitted.
like it or not, more than 60% of all countries in the world recognize the State of Palestine as a full sovereignty state. It is a fact, not something remain to be negotiated.
Citation for that stat? Like it or not, 30% of the world’s countries identify as Muslim majority and part of the Organization of Islamic Cooperation. None of those countries recognize Israel as a state. Just because a bunch of countries believe (or don’t believe) something doesn’t make it a fact.
> Just because a bunch of countries believe (or don’t believe) something doesn’t make it a fact.
The statehood is all about recognization. Please check your favorite dictionary, e.g. mine says
state·hood /ˈstātˌho͝od/ the status of being a recognized independent nation.
When talking about such recognization, there are around 8 billion people living on earth today, out of that 8 billion real people, only about 1.5 billion (18%) living in countries that do not recognize the State of Palestine as a full sovereign state. a quick break down -
750 million living in Europe, almost the entire Europe refuses to recognize the State of Palestine. 450 million in North America 130 million in Japan 30 million in Australia & New Zealand 70 million in Thailand
When the vast majority of the human race recognize it as a state, when the statehood is all about recognization. It is a fact.