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Re: IMDB deleted all negative user reviews for The Rings of Power

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As video gamers have it - there's only two races: white and "political", only two genders: male and "political" and don't forget the only two sexual orientations: straight and "political".

No, the two modes of being are:

1) A natural fit with strongly intuitive significance, or 2) a forced fit where representation is the highest goal at the expense of feeling distracting and nonsensical, even to those being represented.

Re: IMDB deleted all negative user reviews for The Rings of Power

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I have not seen it myself, but every criticism I've read so far was complaining about "mandatory woke". Some reviews also mentioned other things they don't like, like costumes not being good or fights being cinematic instead of subdued or characters appearing where they shouldn't be if you take Silmarillion into accord ... but I have not read even one review that didn't include some version of "I hate it because it h…

This. I‘m guilty of relying quite heavily on reviews/star-ratings when deciding what to watch, and avoid low-rated movies/shows. Until some years ago, I‘d just have a glance at the score/stars and make my decision. By now, if something is rated low but my gut feeling tells me that it could be off, I always do a quick check of reviews, and 90% of the time I go „Okay, it’s the racists again“. Also: „high critics score,…

Perhaps it's telling of a highly problematic and sudden shift in society's values that the majority have rejected wholesale, and for good reason.

Social (in)justice took the world by storm almost instantly as governments, corporations, and other large entities flocked to using controversy to fuel their greed while they haphazardly feign a set of supposed virtues that only a tiny, fractional minority care about -- and among them, even many of them abhor what is happening with wokeness.

It is but a temporary fad/trend that will eventually die, and the world will finally go back to normal again when people get bored of it all, and thank God for it.

Re: IMDB deleted all negative user reviews for The Rings of Power

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The main problem with diversity, is that most of the time it's a performance. And it's often done with bad actors, who will spend hours and hours on talk shows, describing how they are proud to be the first X to have played in this role. The result is thus disappointing. And it does not create anything of value. Because unsurprisingly, people are not paying to the the "first black elf". Nobody care. So it's just alie…

Moreso with diversity, it's a diverse set of people playing a non-diverse set of characters. The characters are all written to be white, just with non-white people playing them. They're doing something cool by having the diverse cast, but the writing doesn't adjust to make a story that feels like it has a diverse cast

This is because it's natural for people to view different races as coming from different backgrounds, especially in Medieval fantasy. It's more expected to see several mostly homogeneous nations with unique cultures and offerings to bring to the table, and in fantasy, using them to both unite together against a singular evil, and for some, ally with that evil.

This makes for a more interesting story and lore; it gets people thinking: "Whoa cool, another nation with different people, I wonder what they're all about!"

Whereas in this show, and many like it (Wheel of Time), all nations have been forced together to form a single uninteresting soup where few have any cultural significance or quirks whatsoever, so as to avoid offending anyone with stereotypes, which could lead to (GASP!) mild and harmless racial jesting, stupidly redefined as violence against an oppressed minority group by vocal activists who live and breathe dismantling Western/European culture.

Re: IMDB deleted all negative user reviews for The Rings of Power

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Yes. An Italian was talking about an Italian story. They're Europeans. What did you intend this statement to contribute?

The reality is that at least as a North American, nobody even knows it is an Italian story. We all know Pinocchio from our childhood. Nobody knows it’s Italian. So watching a Disney movie, I’m not watching an Italian movie featuring an Italian story, just watching Disney. I’m watching a common fable. And in that case, I really don’t see why everyone HAS to be white. Not asking to change the original Italian book here…

The fable is called Pinocchio, I wonder where that may have come from

Re: IMDB deleted all negative user reviews for The Rings of Power

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Because from a economical business point: * You're getting old and your not spending as much money. * Getting 5$ from 100.000.000 people is better than getting 50$ 1.000.000 people. Especially if you can do it at lower costs. * Getting in new audiences to keep the franchise alive and healthy * And last but not least the average consumer is not interested in it being "true" to some kind of book or whatever. It has to…

Pareto tells us that 0.1% of people account for 38% of the money. Intentionally aggravating your most passionate fans is a moronic business plan — like a mobile game that intentionally pisses off the “whales” to pursue casuals.

Likening a passionate fan to a whale does not work for me. A whale spends thousands to ten thousands times as much as a casual, but a passionate fan does not spend orders of magnitude more than a casual. A business analyst can only see this first-order effect as money is easy to measure; the second order effect of the passionate fanbase having a larger-than-usual reach and being to organise mass gruntle/review bombing/boycotts and other forms of IP burning/resistance is invisible to him, or he does not care because the cost is already sunk, whereas whaling is always an ongoing business.

Re: IMDB deleted all negative user reviews for The Rings of Power

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If the best actor for Black Panther was white would you have an issue with that?

Well, the Black Panther being a black superhero character, with African background, which is important to the story, means the "best actor" should include those qualities. It's not just about "best" in acting abilities alone (as if those can be taken in abstract regardless of the story), but best in fitting the character and the role. So you're kind of making the parent's point.

Why do you think that is what the parent post meant? He said he doesn't care about "the right skin color". If he doesn't care about skin color, then why can't Black Panther be white? I don't think the post was claiming it matters if it is intrinsic to the plot.

Re: IMDB deleted all negative user reviews for The Rings of Power

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Not sure if IMDb has a history of deleting negative user reviews made in good faith, but worth noting that IMDb and The Lord of the Rings: The Rings of Power (TV series) are both owned by Amazon.

They didn't seem to delete user reviews for Lightyear made by all the bigots that were offended by having two women kissing in the movie so it seems that there's some preferential treatment for Amazon properties. And deleting negative reviews by bigots at least would be more defensible than deleting negative reviews from fans of Tolkien who take issue with the treatment of the work they love. EDIT: I still haven't se…

> by all the bigots that were offended by having two women kissing in the movie

It's bigotry when someone disagrees?

Re: IMDB deleted all negative user reviews for The Rings of Power

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I wonder how well it would go down if someone made a show about slavery in USA with all of the black people being played by non-blacks... For inclusivity you know? Get some Asians there. Maybe gender swap the historical big figures to boot and have them speak Chinese or something.

So here's the thing - in reality black slaves actually existed. So if you cast a white guy to play a black slave then yeah people would be a little bit confused. Dwarves are a fictional species which have never existed, and even if all dwarves have been described explicitly as being white in the books (and I don't think they have) there has been enough artistic license taken in the various recent films that straying…

Guess what, white slaves existed as well. In reality.

Re: IMDB deleted all negative user reviews for The Rings of Power

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The opportunity cost is there to prevent that, and the tastes of the fans don't always coincide with the general audience.

I don't think that is true. There is some complaining, but in general popular franchises are popular for reason. There likely were enough things that appealed already substantial audience. Just keep those in and adapt what has to be adapted for different medium. I'm not saying make a product for only the fans. But stay honest to source or previous material.

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Re: IMDB deleted all negative user reviews for The Rings of Power

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Dwarves aren't real, historical people. Black slaves were. What the actual fuck are you talking about?

It’s not just this show. How many Vikings had black queens? This literally in every show. The question is legitimate. How about a show about slavery where the slaves are mixed, with some white some black? (Btw if the slavers were Muslim this would actually be historically accurate. Would that be allowed today as a show?)

Muslim slavers? That’s double plus ungood.
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