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Post by dmix »

_vvaw wrote: post #410
eastdakota wrote: post #391

Reading over the comments I see everyone thinking this is about “free speech.” It is not. It’s about what in the US you’d call “due process” and in all the rest of the world you’d call “rule of law.” Our decision today was that the risk created by the content could not be dealt with in a timely enough matter by the traditional rule of law systems. That’s a failure of the rule of law on two dimensions: we shouldn’t be…

What was the actual threat? Was it posted on Kiwi Farms, or transmitted via another channel?

+1, what was the thing that changed today vs a week ago?

If this is going to eventually become precedent (despite what is said this is now the new basis from which other decisions are made) other site owners and future one’s should have an idea of what exactly wasn’t dealt with. Cloudflare’s reach is extensive and becoming a critical part the internet so there’s plenty at stake here.

The lack of transparency by Google, Facebook, etc is the worst part of this whole top-level internet moderation trend.

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Post by dart200 »

eastdakota wrote: post #391

Reading over the comments I see everyone thinking this is about “free speech.” It is not. It’s about what in the US you’d call “due process” and in all the rest of the world you’d call “rule of law.” Our decision today was that the risk created by the content could not be dealt with in a timely enough matter by the traditional rule of law systems. That’s a failure of the rule of law on two dimensions: we shouldn’t be…

how do you know it wasn't just trolls trying to get KF taken down?

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Post by SirPatrickMoore »

KerrAvon wrote: post #198
thepasswordis wrote: post #95

Quoted post unavailable.

You’re OK with Kiwifarms killing this person and several others and being proud of it. Maybe you aren’t as ignorant as you claim? https://www.reddit.com/r/retrogaming/comments/o91umv/rip_byu...

He/they is not dead. The person who claimed that Byuu/Near committed suicide claimed he confirmed it with the Japanese police. The Japanese have to report every American citizen who died to the US, which is then included in an online database here: https://travel.state.gov/content/travel/en/international-tra... No US citizen died by unnatural causes in Japan in the entire second half of 2021, and not on the 28th of June. Byuu/Near was still alive and posting well after the 11th of May, the last time an American citizen died by suicide in Japan in 2021.

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Post by nathanaldensr »

BrainVirus wrote: post #414

I just love how the pro-censorship crowd here is faking moderation and exasperated reasonableness, while the rest of us know full well how this game is played. We see it on literally all major social media platforms right now . It started (roughly) with banning Alex Jones and a few others. Why would you be opposed to banning of that screaming crazy person, right? Fast forward just a few years, it's now impossible to…

And by doing so, they are proving the very value and necessity of free speech; they're unwittingly making their opponents' arguments for them.

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Post by miki123211 »

The problem with cases like this one is that they really show the inadequacy of the geographic government model in the age of the internet.

If a Czech citizen, currently living in Slovakia, doxxx a British person resident in Canada on a site hosted in the Maldives and managed by a Japanese citizen, protected by a German server owned by an American security company, which government has the right to order the content to be taken down?

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Post by justacomment100 »

eastdakota wrote: post #391

Reading over the comments I see everyone thinking this is about “free speech.” It is not. It’s about what in the US you’d call “due process” and in all the rest of the world you’d call “rule of law.” Our decision today was that the risk created by the content could not be dealt with in a timely enough matter by the traditional rule of law systems. That’s a failure of the rule of law on two dimensions: we shouldn’t be…

Every website gets threats. The Stoneman Douglas shooter wrote a YouTube comment about how he wanted to be a school shooter, just weeks before his attack, which went unmoderated. Kiwifarms immediately deleted the threatening post. Why hold small discussion forums to such a higher standard? They deleted the post in minutes; so you expect them to delete violating posts faster than YouTube?

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Post by coffeeblack »

namelessoracle wrote: post #260

The people who pushed for this have a list of the next sites they are going to get taken down. In particular any place TERFs have discussions. I give it 2 years and they will be successful.

That’s how it always goes.

Amazing that humans never learn from history.

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Post by JumpCrisscross »

eastdakota wrote: post #391

Reading over the comments I see everyone thinking this is about “free speech.” It is not. It’s about what in the US you’d call “due process” and in all the rest of the world you’d call “rule of law.” Our decision today was that the risk created by the content could not be dealt with in a timely enough matter by the traditional rule of law systems. That’s a failure of the rule of law on two dimensions: we shouldn’t be…

> we shouldn’t be the ones making that call, and no one else who should was stepping up in spite of being aware of the threat

If one patron starts beating another to a pulp, the bartender breaking up the fight does not signify a failure of the rule of law or law enforcement. You stepped in to help. It would be nice if you were given official air cover to do so. But I and most Americans prefer a system where the government has extra hoops to jump through to halt even dangerous speech.

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Post by dymk »

philippejara wrote: post #364

And, just like that, the internet lost one of its most staunch defenders. I don't care for KF nor did I used to care about 8chan or stormfront, but it just shows that all the grandstanding from Matthew Prince was for show all along. and the worst of all? its fro nothing, the people doing whatever they were being accused of, which i'm still trying to piece together, are just gonna be in discords or the nth-chan that s…

I imagine you have never been the target of a KF abuse campaign.

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Post by [deleted] »

dart200 wrote: post #432
eastdakota wrote: post #391

Reading over the comments I see everyone thinking this is about “free speech.” It is not. It’s about what in the US you’d call “due process” and in all the rest of the world you’d call “rule of law.” Our decision today was that the risk created by the content could not be dealt with in a timely enough matter by the traditional rule of law systems. That’s a failure of the rule of law on two dimensions: we shouldn’t be…

how do you know it wasn't just trolls trying to get KF taken down?

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